Keldon Class

posted on January 9th, 2011, 8:19 am

Cardassian Keldon Class, was looking it up and i was wondering if that would be in the same arena as a Galaxy Class or Ambassador Class, meaning firepower, i tend to think no?

posted on January 9th, 2011, 9:01 am

Well the first time we saw them on-screen, the Defiant disabled it in about two shots, and the second time we saw them on screen the Jem'Hadar trashed about 10 of them in about 5 minutes...since we've never seen them against ships that don't have plot armour it's hard to say though...

posted on January 9th, 2011, 12:20 pm

well we know galaxy > galor

vanilla had keldon > galor but we dont know if thats true. in fact they were an older design, but they did appear slightly bigger than a galor.

so i would bet a keldon is roughly equal to galor.

so a galaxy can probably beat a keldon 9 times out of 10.

the evidence from the battle of the omarian nebula cant count for much since bug spam was op back then. they dispatched the odyssey pretty fast cos nobody had adapted to their fancy beams back then. the romulan ships also appeared easy prey for those bugs.

id say an ambas is slightly better than a keldon, but not by much.

posted on January 9th, 2011, 3:11 pm

the evidence from the battle of the omarian nebula cant count for much since bug spam was op back then. they dispatched the odyssey pretty fast cos nobody had adapted to their fancy beams back then. the romulan ships also appeared easy prey for those bugs.

Of course, the massive number advantage probably helped.

posted on January 9th, 2011, 7:11 pm

The Keldon seems to be something like a Galor refit, more crew, more room, for... whatever. The Obsidian order used them so they should be something strong and special . I wouldn't consider the weak Galor from TNG, rather the medium cruiser from late DS9(we've heard there were different Galor class types, I remember they mentioned a class 6 Galor). I'd say a Keldon could have about the strength of an Akira/Ambassador/Nebula.
Weaker than a Galaxy of course.

[Tyler]

posted on January 9th, 2011, 7:18 pm

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Keldons were considered to be cruisers (Heavy cruiser in the DS9 tech manual), but we don't know how they actually compare to the Galor. The design is very similar, though nothing about the visual difference imply they had any firepower increase from the Galors. Keldons only displayed a smaller number of weapons, showing 2 phasers to the Galors 4 phaser and 1 large disruptor.

A 'top of the line' Galor was the Type-3 by the time the Galaxy was around, that was the only time the 'best Galor' was mentioned.

posted on January 9th, 2011, 8:08 pm

In the DS9 episode "Defiant" you can actually see briefly a galor, the defiant and 2 keldons in the same screen shot. Shortly after you can see them all represented in a cardassian tactical display that Sisko and Dukat are looking at.  In the tactical display the Galor appears slightly bigger than the two keldons but you can't really determine size in the real time image.

Although size is not directly linked to the strength of a vessel (the Defiant is tiny but could take ships much larger than itself) typically larger warships are more powerful. On screen the Keldon appears to be a fast heavily armed ship but with poor defense (Defiant handle 2 of them pretty quickly).

In FO sense I would rate a Keldon as having slighlty higher specs to anIntrepid and a Galor would be slightly below an Ambassador.

posted on January 10th, 2011, 3:38 pm

In FO sense I'd say a Galor would be as strong as a T-15 and a Keldon like a B-8 .

posted on January 10th, 2011, 3:45 pm

On screen the Keldon appears to be a fast heavily armed ship but with poor defense (Defiant handle 2 of them pretty quickly).

By 'heavily armed', I assume you're referring to the fact that it showed only 2 weapons compared to the Galors 5?

posted on January 10th, 2011, 4:37 pm

i would think its a bit stronger than the galor, maybe on the same level as the intrepid

posted on January 10th, 2011, 5:04 pm

@ Tyler

It fits, obviously the ship is fast and equipped with a cloaking device and were being used for an assualt on the Founders homeworld. So yes, you can assume that I am assuming that the Keldon's 2 weapons are quite powerful.

Were did you get that 2 and 5 info anyway?

posted on January 10th, 2011, 5:18 pm

Memory Alpha list the weapons seen firing; Keldon only showed 2 phasers firing onscreen, while the Galor showed 4 phasers and 1 disruptor.

Those Keldons used for the attack on the Founders were not normal ones, Cardassians don't have cloaking devices and borrowed from the Romulans. That the order used them only shows that they were easy enough to get their hands on, as even the weakest Cardassian warship would be able to kill an entire planets population (a TOS-era Constitution was capable of that alone).

The only evidence that could imply a Keldon is stronger is that it's a cruiser while the Galor is often classed as a destroyer, but even that isn't concrete proof.

posted on January 10th, 2011, 5:39 pm

I never said the Keldon was stronger than a Galor.  I just said it (a Keldon) was heavily armed and i'm refering to the order variants since there are not any "normal" Keldons seen in the shows. A fast, heavily armed strike cruiser with below average defense; that is how I would describe the Keldon from what I've seen of it on screen.

posted on January 10th, 2011, 5:52 pm

I must have been here too long, arguments about power tend to be the norm...

It may be intended to be more heavily armed, though it hasn't shown as many weapons in the few times it was seen in canon. If we saw more, we might have got a more complete look at what it can do. I can't see the defense as too far below a Galor, considering the Defiant would likely slaughter them just as easily (it does almost everything else).

It probably is the faster of the 2 by Cardassian standards, I don't remember a Galor being as fast. Not at Warp, at least.

posted on January 10th, 2011, 9:28 pm

from waht i recall of that episode 

1. The Keldons were faster than they were supposed to be (i.E. the order refited them from whatever condition they were in before

2. The Order was not even supposed to have ships. so they would get there hands on anything they could have maybe they raided a mothball yard were a bunch of Keldons were sitting collecting space-dust    Keldons do look like a Galor with some grebles moved, taken away, and or added.  they actually look like they are meant for planetary assault (landing troops) that big box on the back is either for troop carrying, ground vehicle transport or carrying fighters. 

so what i can figure is  the Order got some Keldons with there Tal'Shiar co-conspirators supped up there speed and firepower and installed cloaking devices. 

comparing the Keldons vs any other ship is not really possible as what we saw of them on screen does not give us enough information  especially sense we hardly see Cardasian ships singulary there usually in 3's like the rommies  If i recall correctly