JJ Abrams a make or break for Star Trek?

posted on May 10th, 2009, 10:34 pm

...............OMG....WTF?!? ................

My thoughts exactly. It’s like they mingled the worst edits of Jurassic Park, War of the Worlds, Independents Day, the new bond movie and umpteen other simpleton kaboom fests. I mean how much of the film was actually dialog with half credible acting, most of it just seemed to be computer animated effects at twice speed; helped along by a jittery cameraman with ADHD.   

posted on May 11th, 2009, 4:54 am

Ah, Redmanmark is an angry young man hating on us old guys who grew up on this stuff! Haha, seriously friend, if you think it's the fault of the "hardcorps "trekkies" for the franchise failing I beg to differ. On the contrary, it was a lack of new ideas and vision. I blame new sci-fi fans like YOU (LOL) for not coming up with something better. Really, if you have such little regard for the history and tradition...why exactly are you here..? Hardcorps fans (of which I do not really consider myself) have kept the whole Star Trek mythology going for all these years and if not for THEM you would not have even these last mediocre examples of Star Trek movies to watch. You said "the old, hardcorps fans are dying anyways"....damn, that's cold.
Here's the good news: this "new" incarnation of Star Trek has done what no man, er, Star Trek movie has done before-make $75 plus million in it's first weekend. There will be more-bank on it.
And now the "bad" news: anyone longing for the old vision of Star Trek will have to resort to books or the old series cuz them days is gone. Redmanmark is a perfect example of why. He could care less about TOS, or even TNG, or...um, Redman what exactly DO you like about STar Trek??
In closing, let's consider Shakespeare. Considered as a classic master of literature. But, suffice it to say his time is passed. It happens. This new Star Trek movie is a hollow vision of the past glory and will undoubtedly lead to to a whole new trio of movies that have little to do with anything that has gone before. But at least we have something to watch, right Red? As I said, I loved it as a popcorn gobbling, special effects extravaganza. There is little else remarkable about the film from "a Star Trek fans" point of view. In my opinion.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 6:21 am

Here's how I see it:  if everyone just put up with the stuff they don't like while actively making the stuff they DO like, everyone will be happy.  And there'd be more stuff.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 7:19 am

SPOILER ALERT
hey folks, I finaly saw the film and honestly while i still think the ending sucked and the Enterprise is covered in too much JJ spunk
I'v got to admit its not as bad as I thought hell the price of admission was worth it jsut to hear about admiral Archers beegal 
if anything the only real issue i have with it is the ending, how after defeating the bad guys kirk and spock didn't do anything to restor the time line
Evan though its alternante youd expect someone to want to repair the damage 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 7:48 am

Assuming the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics is the culprit, 'restoring' the timeline isn't even logically feasible, as the timeline isn't technically broken... just split.

And an infinite amount of timelines exist anyway.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 7:56 am

please.... kirk can do anything, and if thats not enough get chuck noris to play a redshirt

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:01 am

Wow. I can't understand why people are blaming Star Trek for being a good movie XD. This is exactly what Star Trek needed to survive. I am so pleased I saw it. However, the plot was very similar to the one where the Krenim timeship tries to restore their timeline. That said, I loooooved it.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 8:57 am

Ah, Redmanmark is an angry young man hating on us old guys who grew up on this stuff! Haha, seriously friend, if you think it's the fault of the "hardcorps "trekkies" for the franchise failing I beg to differ. On the contrary, it was a lack of new ideas and vision. I blame new sci-fi fans like YOU (LOL) for not coming up with something better. Really, if you have such little regard for the history and tradition...why exactly are you here..? Hardcorps fans (of which I do not really consider myself) have kept the whole Star Trek mythology going for all these years and if not for THEM you would not have even these last mediocre examples of Star Trek movies to watch. You said "the old, hardcorps fans are dying anyways"....damn, that's cold.
Here's the good news: this "new" incarnation of Star Trek has done what no man, er, Star Trek movie has done before-make $75 plus million in it's first weekend. There will be more-bank on it.
And now the "bad" news: anyone longing for the old vision of Star Trek will have to resort to books or the old series cuz them days is gone. Redmanmark is a perfect example of why. He could care less about TOS, or even TNG, or...um, Redman what exactly DO you like about STar Trek??
In closing, let's consider Shakespeare. Considered as a classic master of literature. But, suffice it to say his time is passed. It happens. This new Star Trek movie is a hollow vision of the past glory and will undoubtedly lead to to a whole new trio of movies that have little to do with anything that has gone before. But at least we have something to watch, right Red? As I said, I loved it as a popcorn gobbling, special effects extravaganza. There is little else remarkable about the film from "a Star Trek fans" point of view. In my opinion.

its not really that im hating on you, its more that you guys just dont let the past go... i hadnt even been concieved when Sar Trek first came out, hell my mum had just gotten out of school its that old... I never got in to the original Star Trek and i did try but please explain to me what is original about to a man of my era compared to yours? Ok it challenges a few ideas of your time, but only a few... But doesnt challenge any of mine... When i watch the original Star Trek it is nothing more than James Bond in Space!!! You have william Shatner a guy who gets a new girl every episode (bond), then he can fight like superman (bond), no matter the situation with soem sort of weird technology he'll save the day (bond), all the girls have to wear next to nothing but not the guys apart from the main character at one point (bond)and somewhere in an episode here and there maybe some moral code (bond)... not to mention penty of inconstancies...

So all in all your telling me to Love Bond in space and seeing as i don't like James Bond im not going to like that... Otherwise please tell me the mythology from YOUR era not mine that im missing???

As i said in another post, im not hardcore Star Trek fan, its just a show i watch on the telly basically everyday because its the best thing on at that particular time, though when DS9 came i did try to make sure i was home to catch it and the same for Eneterprise, wasnt the biggest fan of voyager as that ship could survive anything... TNG had some great episodes and out of all them tried to challenege morals and ideas but at the sametime just was completely stupid at times which you had to ignore ebcause you was a fan, like that time they all caught that virus that made them want to have sex and only some new toy wesley had made could save them if they could get into engineering... plenty of crap episodes like that...

What do i like about Star Trek, here and there it would challenege new ideas and a mans morallity in some sort of realistic way but all in all im not the biggest fan... As i said there is more than one type of fan out there and some are a dying breed...

P.S. I hate Star Wars thats why i got annoyed by Trek Wars...

posted on May 11th, 2009, 9:53 am

It's not a bad movie, Star Trek is dead by using the old style over and over again. But some details should have been scrutinized befor launching the movie. I mean a woman friend of mine, first time saw a Star Trek film said...why can they beam on the ship, it left the planet hours ago.

Now it's to late...
I hope the next film will be the same style but will also accept the rules and limits in a Star Trek universe.

posted on May 11th, 2009, 10:58 am

why can they beam on the ship, it left the planet hours ago.

[spoiler] cuz spock prime gave scotty the equations to transwarp beaming durrrrr

posted on May 11th, 2009, 10:48 pm

yea they were missing afew details.... and TBH i think JJ might have run short on funding for some sets.. i mean it might jsut be me but you know the enterprise isn't "THAT" big a ship in the movie... i mean you saw how wide its inner hull is when the shuttles are gonig inn to land right?
k well keeping that it mind how is it when they do engineering sceens scotty is running scross miles of cat walks??? 

posted on May 11th, 2009, 10:50 pm

I think he was watching Starwars before designing the phaseres and their sound effects, and their bolts instead of beams

posted on May 11th, 2009, 10:58 pm

weve seen from enterprise that early phasers did use pulses... and well in voyager and the movies weve seen those massive hand rifles use a beam one minute then a phaser the next... Equinox comes to mind or that epsiode when you have two Voagers sharing the same something or other and that ship latches and voyager sacrifices itself for the other...

posted on May 11th, 2009, 11:01 pm

Sorry, Again I forgot to say Hand phasers

posted on May 12th, 2009, 1:36 pm

Seeing how this thread is progressing its clear that this latest star trek film has definitely caused a rift between people. There are without question some people that want star trek to have continuity and be genuinely original in style (like the first six films lets say) and others that wish star trek to change either in terms of action, storyline or whatever it may be. My opinion is that the franchise is grabbing at straws with new ideas and styles that I personally don't like. Its also clear that the franchise is definitely broadening its fan base, for better or for worse, only the next star trek film will make it known. One good thing about the broadened base of fans is that some younger people are being introduced to a show that is spans forty years of Television and Film. They may even decide to the watch some of the other shows/films that they may not of seen. In that respect Star Trek still has a pulse. What a marvelous invention Star Trek is though. Thumbs up to Gene Roddenberry! 

Roach