Galaxy class waste or not?

posted on August 16th, 2011, 8:26 pm

well TNG was basically the Hippy era of star trek.

If i was an alien government and Starfleet came to me to offer a membership, i would scratch my head and think again. I mean, they don't really have the best interest for other races. They don't help unless you have at least warp capable tech.  Cause then you are only interesting.  That whole prime directive is a joke. If you have the technology to help save a race form a decease then do so.. Starfleet does the same when some of the member races are in trouble.

Then there is the thing for protection of the planets... Do new Federation members just scrap their military forces and shipyards? Cause you never see their warships. Not to mention that that 90% of all the crew is human and that everything is done on Earth. From academy training to ruling the federation.

and then the galaxy class is just a joke in combat. It is using a Gaddafi tactic by adding civillians on a ship and then when the galaxy is damaged the captain can always massage and say: But look at our ship we have women and children on board... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! don''t destroy us!!! Didn't Gaddafi use Civilians as a human shield?

and after the Domonion war. Wow, i would have thought that the federation would have lost members. I mean how many planets where conquered by the dominion? If i was betazed, i would have reconsidered my membership cause basically starfleet did quite little to retake it. 

and if you believe the maps the fed territory is Huge! must be a bureaucratic nightmare to get anything done.

Makes you wonder why Q had such an interest in the Federation in the first place.

The federation is just like the Qing or Ming dynasty. The Qing or Ming had crap military but tried to use diplomacy to civilise other barbarian States and cultures and tried adding them to their empire.  Not to mention that the Bureaucracy was mostly done by Chinese (not other minorities) and when they where in need of a fighting force, they usually used the nomad tribes or other "Barbarian armies"  to defend themselves. So klingons are being abused.

But i shouldn't take it too serious... but the Federation isn't really the most honest  bunch in the galaxy.

posted on August 17th, 2011, 2:28 am

well TNG was basically the Hippy era of star trek.

Cant argue with that.

If i was an alien government and Starfleet came to me to offer a membership, i would scratch my head and think again. I mean, they don't really have the best interest for other races.

Not the most accurate, if you join you're part of the federation. That means if you're attacked, the Federation is attacked, if you're in trouble, the Federation responds.

They don't help unless you have at least warp capable tech.  Cause then you are only interesting.  That whole prime directive is a joke. If you have the technology to help save a race form a decease then do so.. Starfleet does the same when some of the member races are in trouble.

I agree, the prime directive is quite silly. I can see not interfering, but it gets treated like a giant 'even if they're dying we sit and watch' rule. I could see leaving a race alone if they're low tech, but if something big happend (from a disease, to an astroid or other space based event) the prime directive should (in my mind) not be applied.

Then there is the thing for protection of the planets... Do new Federation members just scrap their military forces and shipyards? Cause you never see their warships. Not to mention that that 90% of all the crew is human and that everything is done on Earth. From academy training to ruling the federation.

Earth is home to the Federations capital as well as the headquaters of the Starfleet and it's training center, yes, however that would not imply anything about naval forces being scrapped. The humans thing can be largley overlooked because its cheaper for a show to have a mostly human crew . The whole idea of the Federaton seems to be that the older inner worlds forgo massive defences in lieu of supporting the Starfleet which, while patrolling the core space, is stronger on the borders, which translates to keeping the new memebrs safe.

and then the galaxy class is just a joke in combat. It is using a Gaddafi tactic by adding civillians on a ship and then when the galaxy is damaged the captain can always massage and say: But look at our ship we have women and children on board... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!! don''t destroy us!!! Didn't Gaddafi use Civilians as a human shield?

The human shield tactic is hardly unique to Gaddafi, Iraq used it in both gulf wars, the Palastenians use it frequently (OH NOES YOU SHOT BACK AND HIT THE HOSPITAL/SCHOOL/MOSQUE WE WERE BASING OUT OF) even the North Vietamese used it in the Vietnam war. It's far from a new tactic. The differnce is that starfleet ships make no pretense of being civilian vessels, they're (as much as they try to push the explorer/scientest spiel) military ships, that happen to (in the case of bigger ships) have civilians onboard for morale purposes. Or as happens as well in many cases, civilian specialists (which is the case for IRL naval vessels too, they tend to have some civies onboard too filling a specefic role on occasion)

and after the Domonion war. Wow, i would have thought that the federation would have lost members. I mean how many planets where conquered by the dominion? If i was betazed, i would have reconsidered my membership cause basically starfleet did quite little to retake it. 

Starfleet and the Federation were only a few centuries old, and went against a super power that had lasted for over two thousand years and won. As for Betazed, it no doubt liberated sometime during the war

and if you believe the maps the fed territory is Huge! must be a bureaucratic nightmare to get anything done.

That's one of the prices you pay for goverment.
However, it is often implied that the Federation was a minimalist goverment when it came to governing, as we often seen in episodes a leader of a system/planet/area, who runs things, with the Federation simply providing a basic set of Federation wide guidelines and standards. Sorta like the state+federal govt combination in the U.S. IRL.

Makes you wonder why Q had such an interest in the Federation in the first place.

He likes screwing with Picard, duh.

The federation is just like the Qing or Ming dynasty. The Qing or Ming had crap military but tried to use diplomacy to civilise other barbarian States and cultures and tried adding them to their empire.  Not to mention that the Bureaucracy was mostly done by Chinese (not other minorities) and when they where in need of a fighting force, they usually used the nomad tribes or other "Barbarian armies"  to defend themselves. So klingons are being abused.

Execpt the federation military has a large number of Humans and other races that were in the federation for a long time, and the alliance with the Klingons was not exactly an old thing at that point.

As for "abusing" Klingons...... they LIKE it rough

But i shouldn't take it too serious... but the Federation isn't really the most honest  bunch in the galaxy.

As opposed to.... the romulans... the cardassians.... the Klingons (they often live up to their warrior code more in the breach than in the letter, historically) and the list goes on.