Galaxy class waste or not?

posted on July 26th, 2011, 3:38 pm

Anyway, you're blaming the wrong target. The crew and their families decide to stay together despite the risk, the Galaxy is just designed to make life easier for them (and not risk their education) than other ships usually would.

If you want to call someone stupid, blame the families that make the choice; neither the ship nor Starfleet force them to come along.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 3:43 pm

The Galaxy never left Federation-owned space (except for incidents like the one with with Q) and was alway only a few hours from nearby planets. Distress calls wouldn't be easy to miss.

thats not true. every other week they were seeing non federation races, going to non fed worlds. fighting non fed surly aliens.

lets look at some examples of how they werent in federation space:

pilot (yup straight in at the first ep). they go to the deneb system to deneb 4:
Deneb IV - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

which is "at the edge of the great unexplored mass blah blah"

second ep - the naked now, doesnt specify where this is (only that its near a red giant which is apparantly new and not seen a lot before), shit still happens that could kill all the civilians.

third ep - code of honour, they go to the ligon system to ligon 2:
Ligon II - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki

not in federation space (those racial stereotypes would make even the kkk blush). they invite people on board who then procede to kidnap the chief of security. if the chief of security is vulnerable, then so are the civilians.

no point going on any further. every new week was a new peril.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 3:51 pm

Still inside thier borders, just not extensivly charted, they already knew what and who was in the area. Most times they already have a basic idea of how the area is done.

Also, read my post about blaming the wrong thing?

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:00 pm

Still inside thier borders, just not extensivly charted, they already knew what and who was in the area. Most times they already have a basic idea of how the area is done.

Also, read my post about blaming the wrong thing?

the first and third ep were definitely not within federation borders. those worlds were not federation worlds, hence they couldnt be within federation borders. federation space cant contain non federation worlds. those worlds would have their own space. the feds would never claim someone's space.

the ent D was always at the edge of explored space, going places where they could get killed.

[Tyler]

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:12 pm

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They were inside the larger area claimed by the Federation, even if that particular system wasn't theirs. Also, as I said, they usually knew something about the places they go.

I'm still not sure why only the Galaxy gets hate for it and not the other ships with families on, since the D wasn't always at the border (being closer to Fed worlds a good share of the time) and the other ships are also used for exploring and patrol.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:14 pm

They were inside the larger area claimed by the Federation, even if the system wasn't theirs.

I'm still not sure why only the Galaxy gets hate for it and not the other ships with families on, since the D wasn't always at the border (being closer to Fed worlds a good share of the time) and the other ships are also used for exploring.

thats ridiculous, the feds cant just claim some other people's space. if they were in a system which isnt fed, then that is outside of fed space. they have no idea who or what is there (evidenced by the number of anomalies/battles the ent d found). they would have to be dumping the saucer so often.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:20 pm

I never said they claimed it, I said it's inside the area that's theirs; you don't need to claim the area to claim those around it. The ones that expand first get to claim an area first.

What part of people giving decriptions of planets and the races from the databanks indicates no knowledge of an area? Many of the places they went to already had been scouted before. A good number of the races they met also already had dealings with the Federation before.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:23 pm

I never said they claimed it, I said it's inside the area that's theirs; you don't need to claim the area to claim those around it. The ones that expand first get to claim an area first.

What part of people giving decriptions of planets and the races from the databanks indicates no knowledge of an area? Many of the places they went to already had been scouted before. A good number of the races they met also already had dealings with the Federation before.

they had dealins with many races. that doesnt mean you know what's waiting when you go into their space. you may know a species lives somewhere, and some stuff about them. but without a permanent federation presence its not federation space. even if there are presences in nearby systems in all directions. its still unknown territory. and the ent d wasnt exploring pockets of space surrounded by fed space, they were at the border. near ds9 at one point, exploring those areas of space, they called it the final frontier.

[Tyler]

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:29 pm

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No, but they have a basic idea of what to expect from the area. The D also only spent about half the time at the border, they spent the other half either helping Fed worlds or acting as an errand boy for Starfleet.

Even then, being close to the border isn't the same as being in the uncharted wilds beyond the borders; at least they know something about their space.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:34 pm

No, but they have a basic idea of what to expect from the area. The D also only spent about half the time at the border, they spent the other half either helping Fed worlds or acting as an errand boy for Starfleet.

Even then, being close to the border isn't the same as being in the uncharted wilds beyond the borders; at least they know something about their space.

they knew where the stars and planets were, so they didnt fly into them. and they knew a few civilisations. but they had no idea what was going on in these places. such as starships being there. as the feds had no presence there. hence hostile ships/anomalies could be waiting every time they fly to a place that isnt a federation world. so they would have to dump the saucer at least once or twice a month.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Not that often, it's a reaction to threats not a reaction to the possibility of non-Federation ships in the area...

Even if they did have to that often, it's not much of a problem; it's designed for it to be a routine feature and civilians are already focused mainly in the saucer anyway.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 4:51 pm

Not that often, it's a reaction to threats not a reaction to the possibility of non-Federation ships in the area...

Even if they did have to that often, it's not much of a problem; it's designed for it to be a routine feature and civilians are already focused mainly in the saucer anyway.

and look how many times the unexpected happened...

i disagree with it being a routine thing. everony has to move around the ship. so a "routine" sep would take many minutes, as civilians dont run to the saucer. its a lot of work to split a ship in half with divides based on civilian/starfleet.

even with a bigger budget i think it would have got cheesy if they split the ship that often.

[Tyler]

posted on July 26th, 2011, 5:03 pm

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Plot convinience, you know a good story requires it. Space is too large and empty for most of that stuff to be normal daily life.

Seperation was designed to be routine and a lot of the ship is automated and civilians are already most of the time in the saucer by default. Being routine would go with them intending it to be used when they expect danger, while the sensors would know about approaching ships to give a warning.

Either way, the discussion doesn't make much difference. The presence of civilians is their own choice; the ship and the fact that it's comfy has nothing to do with it.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 5:29 pm

The debate isnt about the Galaxy class itself, I personally love the ship. But the fact is, the Galaxy IS an explorer and other ships may have had families but the Galaxy class was the only one specifically designed to have civilians onboard. The whole purpose of the Galaxy class was to explore things, and even if there were scouts that were in an area before hand they still cant assume an area to be safe, but often times the Galaxy seemed to be going into the unknown. And in that situation it makes no real sense to have civilians on the ship, its just too big a liability. Sure the Galaxy is a big mighty ship, but so was the Titanic, just cause you think a ship is tough doesnt make it so, especially when heading into the unknown. I would accept that starfleet would allow families on certain ships, but I would think it would be ships in well secured core planet areas with little risk of hostile encounters, not a front line explorer such as the Galaxy class. But as is the idea IMHO is pure rediculousness.

posted on July 26th, 2011, 5:34 pm

and we got split, another thread derailed by the galaxy topic probably the most divisive ship in trek.