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posted on June 29th, 2010, 7:44 pm
look at ds9, the only time they include vulcans is to slap them about. sisko only has vulcan crew on his station in the ep where a vulcan is a murderer. no vulcans as redshirts before that.

that vulcan was pretty facist as well. believing vulcans to be naturally superior, writing essays about vulcan superiority all the time, having an all vulcan crew. he was a disgusting character that had no place in star trek.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 7:52 pm
Vulcan arrogance has been around since TOS, along with all Vulcan crews. This DS9 Vulcan was more of a hypocrite that wasn't nearly as bad as many from ENT. Is it racism when someone is insane and acts in a way they wouldn't normally?

For the redshirt part, the crew of the Constitution Class Intrepid may want a word about that.

Worfs only role on TNG was to get slapped about, but that show has no particular dislike for him.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 7:57 pm
Tyler wrote:Vulcan arrogance has been around since TOS, along with all Vulcan crews. This DS9 Vulcan was more of a hypocrite that wasn't nearly as bad as many from ENT. Is it racism when someone is insane and acts in a way they wouldn't normally?


im not saying the vulcans were always racist, im saying that ds9 only brought the vulcans in for punishment.

Tyler wrote:For the redshirt part, the crew of the Constitution Class Intrepid may want a word about that.


u have misunderstood my point, i meant there were no vulcans on ds9 as extras. ds9 only had vulcan crew when they had a vulcan murderer.

Tyler wrote:Worfs only role on TNG was to get slapped about, but that show has no particular dislike for him.


that is a completely irrelevant example. worf's pain was due to the worf effect. i think the worf effect was a lazy technique by the writers.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 8:09 pm
DS9 paved the way for Enterprise, in which the entire cast hates Vulcans (even T'Pol probably), and they try to justify it. Apparently it's ok to be racist to the point of endangering your crew on a comet (after Enterprise's tow cable failed Archer had to be convinced by T'Pol to accept Vulcan help in saving two bridge crew from certain death) if the people you're racist against are racist against you too. Enterprise would have been better without the unnecessary Vulcan-Human racism constantly being injected into the stories. The show just kind of shat all over Roddenberry whenever it got the chance.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 8:41 pm
Nebula_Class_Ftw wrote:DS9 paved the way for Enterprise, in which the entire cast hates Vulcans (even T'Pol probably), and they try to justify it. Apparently it's ok to be racist to the point of endangering your crew on a comet (after Enterprise's tow cable failed Archer had to be convinced by T'Pol to accept Vulcan help in saving two bridge crew from certain death) if the people you're racist against are racist against you too. Enterprise would have been better without the unnecessary Vulcan-Human racism constantly being injected into the stories. The show just kind of shat all over Roddenberry whenever it got the chance.


Your argument seems to be that A NEVER had B (it did ) and that C had B once or twice; so when many years later with different writers if D has B all the time, C must have caused D to have B.

Where A is TOS, B is a Vulcan shown being a bit of a jerk, C is DS9, and D is Enterprise.

So what it comes down to is an illogical leap in logic, correlation being assumed to be causation, evidence that doesn't support your view being ignored, etc. Bad logic all round, mate. :)
posted on June 29th, 2010, 8:54 pm
lol u sound like cap'n braxton in future's end. A leads to B leads to C leads to the nut house
posted on June 29th, 2010, 10:10 pm
lol I remember that one. :)
posted on June 30th, 2010, 12:25 am
Tyler wrote:You actually forget the other 3 words in the name? Astounding... I never even mentioned the word.

United Federation of Planets (UFP) is a space version of United States of America (USA).


lol...really?!  I wasn't aware that 3 letters meant it was like the United States.  Was the DMZ United States like as well?  Or DS9?  There's 3 alpha-numeric characters in that as well.  I assumed (my mistake) you were talking about "United" because I thought I'd get a better reason other than the similarity of 3 letters.
posted on June 30th, 2010, 12:34 am
Last edited by Tyler on June 30th, 2010, 12:40 am, edited 1 time in total.
How do DMZ and DS9 count? The abbrviations UFP and USA are similar in they're abbreviation for similar names for similar organisations.

Not that the abbreviations are even the point of the first post, considering what I actually said was 'A and B are similar, even down to having a similar name/abbreviation'. Did I ever say abbreviations = America?

Sounds like another misunderstanding.
posted on June 30th, 2010, 2:06 am
This thread is SO off topic....  :lol:
posted on June 30th, 2010, 2:59 am
Get used to it with this rowdy crowd. :fish:
posted on June 30th, 2010, 3:14 am
I just read this whole page 3 times and it still doesn't make since
posted on June 30th, 2010, 6:28 pm
Gorgo Primus wrote:This thread is SO off topic....  :lol:


tyler started it, he has the right to help derail it :p

Dircome wrote:I just read this whole page 3 times and it still doesn't make since


since = sense?

who needs sense, its better confusing.  :D
posted on June 30th, 2010, 8:20 pm
My understanding of the name United Federation of Planets is that that's what it's called because, well, it's a bunch of planets united into a Federation. Totally logical and not necessarily the result of taking United States of America and changing it a little (in fact it would be United Planets of the Federation to be more like USA name, due to the fact that planets are replacing states.)

Gorgo Primus wrote:Your argument seems to be that A NEVER had B (it did ) and that C had B once or twice; so when many years later with different writers if D has B all the time, C must have caused D to have B.

Where A is TOS, B is a Vulcan shown being a bit of a jerk, C is DS9, and D is Enterprise.

So what it comes down to is an illogical leap in logic, correlation being assumed to be causation, evidence that doesn't support your view being ignored, etc. Bad logic all round, mate. :)


I think we need to use less letters in our logic statements, that totally confused me until I replaced the letters with the stuff they represented.
Anyways, tho correlation is not always causation, a correlation can be a causation, in the same way that a rectangle is not always a square, but a rectangle can be a square. I was just saying that after Vulcans were treated badly on DS9, Enterprise also treated them badly, seemingly due to DS9. It's one possible explanation that the writers looked at what seemed to work before and just did more of that. It's not the only explanation, as it could just be a correlation that is not a causation, but it seems to me to be the most likely explanation.
Also, weren't Rick Berman and Brannon Braga producers for DS9 and writers for Voyager/Enterprise?
posted on June 30th, 2010, 8:22 pm
Along with about 50 others, perhaps.
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