Enterprise Alternate Intro
What's your favourite episode? How is romulan ale brewed? - Star Trek in general :-)
posted on June 28th, 2010, 1:05 pm
Last edited by Tyler on June 28th, 2010, 1:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Has anyone noticed that the events in Enterprises Intro are almost entirely restricted to American history with little to no mention of anyone else? The ISS is the only non-American thing included, which most Americans probably think is American anyway.
I wonder if this idea of Only America can do great things can count as 'Unfortunate Implications'?
I wonder if this idea of Only America can do great things can count as 'Unfortunate Implications'?
posted on June 28th, 2010, 1:40 pm
since gene roddenberry died star trek forgot about a lot of his ideas. we had racism in ds9, and the federation became american lol. roddenberry realised that earth's future would obviate the definition of nationality.
in TOS gene's anti racism ideas shone through, even if it was done rather obviously, white america, black american, russian, scotsman, japanese person, vulcanian vulcan. that episode with the half white half black dudes who were arguing over trivialities etc
in TOS gene's anti racism ideas shone through, even if it was done rather obviously, white america, black american, russian, scotsman, japanese person, vulcanian vulcan. that episode with the half white half black dudes who were arguing over trivialities etc
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:31 am
Last edited by navyguy on June 29th, 2010, 4:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
Dont turn this into a bad argument, all iam saying is Enterprise is the one show that you dont have to worry about being "pol" correct. I use the term liberal because iam sick of what they have done to this country. I like Enterprise's approach to dealing with things. Tired of pepole knocking the show, like the alt ending, in fact i lke the whole thing. Seem's like a lot of pepole here knock Enterprise, iam just one who like the way Archer comes at the problem and handles it with out sugar coating it. I know ive gone off the subject, but i highly doubt iam the first one here to do that.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 9:34 am
Hmm, the Faith of the heart version stays best, of course in the slow version.
Sputnik and Juri Gargarin are things that really should have been in that intro.
Enterprise didn't have the chance to really develop. All Star Trek series(I'm not that familiar with TOS though) became better in the 4th season, Enterprise even more than TNG, for example. Nevertheless those idiots cancelled it >:(. I think Enterprise would not have become the best ST series, because the characters were too boring. T'Pol was Seven², Archer= Sisko-Religion and the others weren't important. Phlox was the only surprising one, Hoshi had that language thing but nothing more.
Sputnik and Juri Gargarin are things that really should have been in that intro.
Enterprise didn't have the chance to really develop. All Star Trek series(I'm not that familiar with TOS though) became better in the 4th season, Enterprise even more than TNG, for example. Nevertheless those idiots cancelled it >:(. I think Enterprise would not have become the best ST series, because the characters were too boring. T'Pol was Seven², Archer= Sisko-Religion and the others weren't important. Phlox was the only surprising one, Hoshi had that language thing but nothing more.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 1:48 pm
Last edited by Myles on June 29th, 2010, 1:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
i liked enterprise, they still made similar mistakes to voyager though, like instant repairs and unlimited shuttles. i wish it had made to it 5th year so shran would be a more central character.
which country would that be? i'm located in britainlandshire, several people here are from germany and other european countries. sarcasm aside, its pretty obvious what country you are on about. might i suggest that if u believe these liberals have done something bad to your country that you go do something about it other than complain on a forum that has nothing to do with politics.
maybe you could go complain on a political forum, or write to your democratically elected representative (we call them MPs in my country, im not sure what your equivalent is) expressing your views on the subject, or make a picket sign and join a protest/demonstration, because expressing such politically charged views here will do nothing other than cause arguments, and wont have the effect u desire of countering these liberals.
EDIT: sorry for staying off topic
navyguy wrote:I use the term liberal because iam sick of what they have done to this country.
which country would that be? i'm located in britainlandshire, several people here are from germany and other european countries. sarcasm aside, its pretty obvious what country you are on about. might i suggest that if u believe these liberals have done something bad to your country that you go do something about it other than complain on a forum that has nothing to do with politics.
maybe you could go complain on a political forum, or write to your democratically elected representative (we call them MPs in my country, im not sure what your equivalent is) expressing your views on the subject, or make a picket sign and join a protest/demonstration, because expressing such politically charged views here will do nothing other than cause arguments, and wont have the effect u desire of countering these liberals.
EDIT: sorry for staying off topic
posted on June 29th, 2010, 1:50 pm
Actually, Enterprise normally got it right with the repairs, around the Xindi arc. Even if the shuttles were a bit iffy.
5th season would likely have been popular, considering Trip's death would be shown as false. People seem to like him.
5th season would likely have been popular, considering Trip's death would be shown as false. People seem to like him.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 1:58 pm
Last edited by Myles on June 29th, 2010, 2:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Tyler wrote:Actually, Enterprise normally got it right with the repairs, around the Xindi arc. Even if the shuttles were a bit iffy.
actually for the most part they got it wrong, the fact they got it right twice (dead stop, azati prim and the following eps) doesnt erase all the other times that they get b*tchslapped by the aliens of the week, consoles explode, trip says "we cant take much morar this cappin" but the next episode shows everything back running fine. i just wish they had used the sense they used in the two times i mentioned in the rest of the series.
the shuttles were more than a bit iffy, they were nearly as bad as voyager, only chakotay helped voyager by crashing a shuttle every week, he must have such high premiums.
thats one of the reasons i like stargate universe, its very realistic, hull breaches are repaired slowly, and u see crew welding on pieces of random metal to fix it. stuff that is 'sploded stays 'sploded. each time they take damage they appear to be even weaker in the next encounter, which is sensible as they cant fix everything.
EDIT: speaking of chakotay's poor record with shuttles, there is an ep of voyager on tv in my country that im watching right now that has chakotay waiting so long before firing at nog's that random kazon kid's (kar) shuttle that he ends up losing the shuttle. this isnt really a coincidence as he loses shuttles every week. yet janeway keeps on giving him the "keys" to new shuttles she somehow finds.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:19 pm
myleswolfers wrote:
thats one of the reasons i like stargate universe, its very realistic, hull breaches are repaired slowly, and u see crew welding on pieces of random metal to fix it. stuff that is 'sploded stays 'sploded. each time they take damage they appear to be even weaker in the next encounter, which is sensible as they cant fix everything.
Well, that's correct considering only "SG universe" and there it sucks badly. They are suffering all the time and the ship does, too. You think they may die and the ship will explode every episode but in the end nothing has happened or there is another ridiculous/boring story on earth.
In Atlantis it was as in Star Trek: McCay fixed everything within minutes, he was that good that you must think Dr. Rush is a stupid idiot who can do nothing

posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:34 pm
dr rush isnt rodney mckay. mckay was a scientist who was good at almost everything, including fixing tech.
that isnt rush's specialty, he is more the theorist, working with maths and ideas. he is learning how destiny works as we go along, learning just about enough to keep it from 'sploding in their faces.
the reason it hasnt exploded yet is mainly cos the ancients did a good job building it, its tough, and can take the hits. plus it hasnt really gone up against the borg yet, only those blue aliens, who dont look that powerful.
our descent into off topic territory is complete, sorry tyler.
that isnt rush's specialty, he is more the theorist, working with maths and ideas. he is learning how destiny works as we go along, learning just about enough to keep it from 'sploding in their faces.
the reason it hasnt exploded yet is mainly cos the ancients did a good job building it, its tough, and can take the hits. plus it hasnt really gone up against the borg yet, only those blue aliens, who dont look that powerful.
our descent into off topic territory is complete, sorry tyler.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:38 pm
Last edited by Nebula_Class_Ftw on June 29th, 2010, 4:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I remember McKay trying to fix a Puddle Jumper when Micheal came back and took over part of Atlantis. He couldn't get the weapons working. Stargate does tend to have a lot of last-minute fixes for plot convenience, but they do often enuff have something just plain unfixable (there was one episode in which the plot was that a guy was trying to fix a broken time-machine to save his dead wife, in the end they just convinced him to give up.)
It is unfortunate the damage doesn't have much of a lasting impact on the Destiny (other than making them actually go faster), but I think we'll eventually see it start to fall apart with no way of repairing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Myles, seeing Destiny vs. Borg cube would be epic, I bet they'd find a clever abuse of their technology to eventually barely win.
It is unfortunate the damage doesn't have much of a lasting impact on the Destiny (other than making them actually go faster), but I think we'll eventually see it start to fall apart with no way of repairing it.
EDIT: Ninja'd by Myles, seeing Destiny vs. Borg cube would be epic, I bet they'd find a clever abuse of their technology to eventually barely win.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:45 pm
Nebula_Class_Ftw wrote: (there was one episode in which the plot was that a guy was trying to fix a broken time-machine to save his dead wife, in the end they just convinced him to give up.)
window of opportunity, season 4. that was on yesterday, my favourite ep.
Nebula_Class_Ftw wrote:It is unfortunate the damage doesn't have much of a lasting impact on the Destiny (other than making them actually go faster), but I think we'll eventually see it start to fall apart with no way of repairing it.
thats not true, they only took fire a couple times, but each time they did, they lasted less time than the last. at first they could fire the giant cannon, then the damage they sustained meant they couldnt next time. and look at all those hull breaches they cant magically patch up like in voyager. we have to see them dedicate ages to weld new metal in place. or take ages programming a robot to do work. their damage has lasting impact, and more realistic repair times.
i agree the damage will probably start taking a bigger toll.
destiny would probably fall easily to a cube. the borg would adapt to the weapons pretty fast.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:55 pm
I was talking about how they got sabotaged, destroying part of their FTL engine, and thus by cutting off that part, they made the ship go faster. Yes, destroying and then cutting out part of their engine made them go faster (or more efficient or something, allowed them to get across a void between galaxies.)
posted on June 29th, 2010, 4:57 pm
well that was cos the aliens luckily damaged the dud engine, and its removal meant there is now 15 good engines all working without the hindrance of the one dud. that is reasonable, if not lucky on their part lol. but in what show do the main characters not have plot protection? if they all died now there wouldnt be any more shows.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 5:11 pm
We can watch the Lucian Alliance explore stuff. Kill off the Earth characters and watch the Lucian Alliance. That would be one hell of a twist and an original one at that.
posted on June 29th, 2010, 5:12 pm
Last edited by Tyler on June 29th, 2010, 5:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Stargate: Lucian?
I'd rather see a series set in Atlantis as the war is starting.
I'd rather see a series set in Atlantis as the war is starting.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests