Commander Tucker

posted on September 15th, 2011, 8:16 pm

Yep i was quite disapointed because it was just about to go to the romulan wars and then it gets cancelled, according to an interview with the actor of tucker he would have been alive again in season 5 and in a relationship with tupol.

Well, I know one thing when it comes to Star Trek Enterprise that everyone seems to overlook, the books to Star Trek Enterprise also do the same thing. The last episode of Star Trek Enterprise was set in 2161 just as the Federation was about to be chartered (the Coalition of Planets that was started in 2156 was born from the Alliance Archer got started with the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites against the Romulan Drone Ship). Thus Commander Charles "Trip" Tucker III didn't die until 2161 because that is when Enterprise NX-01 was deconmissioned. If you listen to the audio in the episode and not just watch, you would hear them even mention that the Enterprise was in service for 10 Years (she was launched in 2151 and her time of service ended in 2161 when she was mothballed and became a Museum Ship).

Further listening into the Audio would state that the non-sense and never should ahve even happened relationship between Trip and T'Pol ended right after the incident with Terra Prime and the Death of their FAKE Child (AKA: It was a biogenic clone of through the combination of their DNA). T'Pol even mentions on screen that the relationship was OVER.

There was only one relationship that should have been in Star Trek Enterprise, and that was a relationship between Captain Jonathan Archer and T'Pol. This type of relationship was hinted on all the way up until the beginning of Season 3 until Dr. Phlox forced Trip to get Vulcan Nero Pressure from T'Pol. Even T'Pol said and I quote: "I knew exploring human sexuality with you was a mistake." She told this directly to Trip, to her the relationship wasn't about love, it was just an experiment into human sexuality, nothing more nothing less. Why else was it so easy for her to marry Koss? Koss is the one who relased her from their marriage after her mother died, not because she wanted it just because he wanted to.

Well either way, when it comes to Jonathan Archer, T'Pol and the bogus Trip-T'Pol relationship, it strikes at my accords because sticking to canon, it was over and ended back in 2156, so according to my thoughts, I'd say that is final since it is directly stated onscreen, since season 5 doesn't exist and doesn't really exist at all, everything about it is specualtion in my opinion.

In my opinion then, I am happy with how Star Trek Enterprise ended, especially with the death of Commander Tucker since it fully brought to a close of "What Never Should Have Happened".

Here is a link to a nice interesting Star Trek Novel, actually I wrote it myself and with the help of a few Star Trek authors might just be able to get it published soon for my ideas have been considered and liked by some of the editors at Paramount and Pocket Books.

Novel:

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posted on September 15th, 2011, 8:30 pm

In the last episode of enterprise tucker didnt really die did he? he faked his death so he could join section 31.

I also noticed his little wink when he was supposed to be about to die aimed at archer.

For the record, what happens on screen is canon, what happens in the books isn't.
The ideas of Trip coming back to life or faking his death were all ideas by Andy Mangels and his writing partner, Micheal A. Martin, they do not represent the ideas of the creators of Star Trek Enterprise, Paramount Pictures or even that of Pocket Books. You have to remember one thing, they brought back Trip, called his death a Hoax so they could write him in as a Section 31 Agent, all to make money because they knew many Star Trek Enterprise fans wouldn't buy the book (or its predacessors) without Trip being alive because many already hated the series final.

Just a reminder when it comes to reading books and linking them to a series, what happens on screen is canon, what happens in books isn't.

posted on September 15th, 2011, 9:23 pm

For the record, what happens on screen is canon, what happens in the books isn't.
The ideas of Trip coming back to life or faking his death were all ideas by Andy Mangels and his writing partner, Micheal A. Martin, they do not represent the ideas of the creators of Star Trek Enterprise, Paramount Pictures or even that of Pocket Books. You have to remember one thing, they brought back Trip, called his death a Hoax so they could write him in as a Section 31 Agent, all to make money because they knew many Star Trek Enterprise fans wouldn't buy the book (or its predacessors) without Trip being alive because many already hated the series final.

Just a reminder when it comes to reading books and linking them to a series, what happens on screen is canon, what happens in books isn't.

They are both cannon thats how ideas come for new series and games.

The fact that just before he died he winked at archer and gave a smile and then went back to being in pain just made me think they were going with the book there, my theory is that he was faking his death and giving some body language to his best friend that its going to be ok so he could go under cover with the romulans to steal secrets and if the series continued it would have been short or they would have made the story around him being under cover and some how link his escape with enterprise.... thats my theory anyway but books are cannon as far as im concerned.

[Terra_Inc]

posted on September 15th, 2011, 9:41 pm

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They are both cannon thats how ideas come for new series and games.

No, they are not. You might call them "official", which they definitely are, but ST canon consists exclusively of what was seen and heard on screen. If you don't believe me, Memory Alpha says the same.

The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures. With the release of Star Trek: The Animated Series on DVD, the studio appears to have changed its stance, and is now listing the cartoon series (aired 1973–1974), as a part of established canon. The various "official" references (such as the Star Trek Encyclopedia or the Star Trek Chronology) may be used as a guide to canon information, but are not canon in and of themselves. [...] A large body of licensed Star Trek works exists that, while approved for publication by Paramount, is not considered part of Star Trek canon. This includes novels, comics, games, and older reference books such as the Star Fleet Technical Manual.

Also, cannon is this: :guns:. What you mean is canon.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 9:57 am

well actually the last few eps of enterprise we not part of the original plot and were made for fun and a way to end the tv show.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 10:54 am

well actually the last few eps of enterprise we not part of the original plot and were made for fun and a way to end the tv show.

I can imagine that, tbh. The 3rd and 4th season were quite good, but the end just didn't do it for me. 

posted on September 16th, 2011, 11:07 am

i liked the 3rd season best. but i think that a lot of the bottle eps in the middle could have been put at the beginning of the season, then make the xindi arc the rest of the season, but make it contiguous. for several eps they would only reference the xindi in passing, barely reminding you that they were in an arc. perfect examples are S03E03 & S03E09, which could have been done before the xindi were introduced. the other episodes relied on plot devices from the xindi arc to varying extents, but a lot of the time it felt kinda aimless.

ds9 kinda suffered because of a similar problem in late season 6 and early season 7, several times we'd have bottle eps (sisko challenges physically superior vulcans to baseball springs immediately to mind) that didnt advance the arc, and some guy would remind them in passing that there's a war on. felt kinda cheap.

[Tyler]

posted on September 16th, 2011, 11:49 am

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The entire war felt like filler to me, to the point that they barely showed it. Seemed more like something that was happening to someone else, and we tagged along every now and then.

I liked the Baseball' episode, though I think the Vulcan was the one who challenged Sisko.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 11:58 am

i liked the baseball episode too, it was funny, it just didnt belong in the middle of a war. it should have been put somewhere else.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 12:00 pm

If enemies in real-life can play football in the middle of a war, I think fictional allies can manage baseball. Need to keep morale up somehow.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 12:06 pm

If enemies in real-life can play football in the middle of a war, I think fictional allies can manage baseball. Need to keep morale up somehow.

that was an exceptional circumstance at xmas.

my problem isnt in the fact that they play baseball or use a holodeck. its how the war gets ignored for a bottle episode. the most important thing on anybody's mind is a game, they dedicate loads of time to the game. and apart from a couple throw away lines you wouldnt know there was a war going on, or that anybody cared about it. its not about the baseball, its about how the episode was delivered. during the war arc episodes the war is really important and matters a lot, during this episode, everyone has forgotten they are at war.

im sure during ww1, none of the people playing football forgot they were in the middle of a war.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 12:17 pm

The crew didn't forget either, the story just didn't focus on it. You know how plot works.

It's not like the crew of a behind-the-lines supply station has much active fighting to do. Anyway, wasn't it during their off-time that the game happened?

posted on September 16th, 2011, 12:33 pm

The crew didn't forget either, the story just didn't focus on it. You know how plot works.

It's not like the crew of a behind-the-lines supply station has much active fighting to do. Anyway, wasn't it during their off-time that the game happened?

yes they did, they were completely oblivious to the war. usually they are all sombre and serious about a war killing thousands. but then baseball comes along and its like there is no war at all. take away the couple references to the war and you'd never know there was a war.

and ds9 isnt behind the lines. there is no real battle line in space, ships are fast and can attack within big ranges (like raids on coridan, and the starbase in valiant). ds9 is quite close to cardassian space, and hence were easily within range of dominion attacks. the dominion even held ds9 for a while. at the time of the baseball ep, the dominion were only pushed back in the chintoka system, starfleet hadnt pushed them back anywhere else. plus ds9 would be needed to deal with damaged ships, repairs and hospital work.

it wasnt specific about whether they did it in their off hours or not. how shifts are arranged in trek has always been weird. main crew members usually seemed to be on the bridge or in key places when the angry aliens attacked. if they did this all in their spare time then they dedicated a lot of hours to it. the show didnt bother addressing when they did the practice and the game. obviously it would have to be done when they werent supposed to be in ops or something. but in a war you would expect sisko and his crew to be out doing something useful in starfleet's first warship, the defiant. unless the ds9 B-team were given the keys and told to go out and kill something.

the episode didnt fit at all. the previous episode has sombre stuff with garak being depressed. two episodes later we have a klingon war episode, and 3 episodes later sisko is on defiant duty and they defend ar558 in a really gritty war episode. baseball comedy was funny, but it didnt belong in the war.

[Tyler]

posted on September 16th, 2011, 12:56 pm

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Forgetting something and not focusing on something are not the same thing. If anything 'forgot' the war, it's the episode rather than the crew in it.

Sisko and the Vulcan captain talked about DS9 being behind the lines when he brought his ship in to resupply/repair, which usually means they're behind the current battle lines. The crew didn't seem to be doing any jobs or wearing a uniform during the game, which would imply they weren't working at the time.

The episode may not be a 'war story', but the crew needs a break sometime for morale's sake. You can't overload the show with the gritty stuff, you'd probably depress half the fans.

Still, this is really a your mileage may vary thing I guess. Some like it breaking up the less-idealistic episodes, others don't like it breaking up the bloodshed and emotional trauma.

posted on September 16th, 2011, 1:12 pm

the had forgotten it. it was gone from their brains, filled with trivial games and egotism. if they were shown to be dealing fine with the war in other eps, then it might fly that they are ok. but it wasnt, in all the other eps they had more realistic reactions to war, not good, feeling sombre and serious and depressed. but suddenly for a bottle episode or two everything is different. that just doesnt fly.

ds9 may have been away from current battles, but as i said, where the battle is can change quickly. a fleet could fly to ds9 in a day easily.

about the gritty stuff:

its a war, thousands are dying, the entire federation is threatened, thats not gonna be pretty. its gonna be nasty, people are gonna feel bad about it. war sucks. if they didnt want to do a realistic war then they shouldnt have done it at all. because if you are gonna have a war, the characters shouldnt be prancing about all happy. they should act like they did in episodes written about the war, such as siege of ar558. you cant just switch a war off then on again to fit plots. they should have put the bottle eps away from the war eps. cos the sudden switching from serious war where thousands are dying, to happy fun time where we can all spend a couple weeks (it felt that long in the show) playing baseball (supposedly the defiant either had nothing to do during this time, or some redshirts were flying around in it), really gutted the arc. arcs are supposed to flow from 1 ep to the next. not come and go.