Commander Tucker
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posted on August 28th, 2011, 1:48 pm
Last edited by DOCa Cola on September 16th, 2011, 6:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In the last episode of enterprise tucker didnt really die did he? he faked his death so he could join section 31.
I also noticed his little wink when he was supposed to be about to die aimed at archer.
I also noticed his little wink when he was supposed to be about to die aimed at archer.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 2:02 pm
It was a Holoprogram, historical accuracy is optional.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 2:08 pm
MrXT wrote:In the last episode of enterprise tucker didnt really die did he? he faked his death so he could join section 31.
I also noticed his little wink when he was supposed to be about to die aimed at archer.
canon never explained whether he died or not, so it's possible he faked his death.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 2:59 pm
I was so pissed when they killed him. Unlike most I really liked Enterprise, and was very disappointed. Why did he even sacrafice himself over some worthless raiders? There were thousands of other situations he could have done that lol.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 3:02 pm
I heard that they would have gone with the 'inaccurate holodeck' idea if they continued the show. I wouldn't be surprised if the program was fictional and had nothing to do with the real NX-01.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 4:50 pm
Im sure something was mentioned by riker that tucker didnt die, i know i heard it somewhere.
Altho ever since i heard that i wondered why section 31 or starfleet intelegence would want a chief engineer, maybe it was memory alpha because it was quite detailed and it mentioned something about tucker spying on the romulans in the near future for the up coming romulan wars. Related to a book maybe?
Altho ever since i heard that i wondered why section 31 or starfleet intelegence would want a chief engineer, maybe it was memory alpha because it was quite detailed and it mentioned something about tucker spying on the romulans in the near future for the up coming romulan wars. Related to a book maybe?
posted on August 28th, 2011, 4:54 pm
MrXT wrote:Im sure something was mentioned by riker that tucker didnt die, i know i heard it somewhere.
not in canon. i've seen that episode many times, riker never mentions that tucker isnt dead.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 5:34 pm
In the books, his death is faked, he gets surgery and long er ears, and goes udnercover as a Romulan to sabotage and steal warp7 research.
Yeah, the books are even worse than the series was.
Shame too the actors did a good job with crap material for the most part.
Yeah, the books are even worse than the series was.
Shame too the actors did a good job with crap material for the most part.
posted on August 28th, 2011, 7:38 pm
Tok`ra wrote:In the books, his death is faked, he gets surgery and long er ears, and goes udnercover as a Romulan to sabotage and steal warp7 research.
Yeah, the books are even worse than the series was.
Shame too the actors did a good job with crap material for the most part.
Yes i knew id read it somewhere, i think they tried to give hints towards his fake death in that episode, as he was about to die , he smiles and stops feeling pain and winks at archer then goes back to being in pain and dies in that chamber thing.
It also makes sense that they would want tucker because hes one of the best engineers and would know exactly what to look for, glad i wasnt cracking up starting to think i just dreamt i read it.
posted on August 29th, 2011, 4:07 am
It'd make sense execpt..... noone knew squat about Romulans come TOS.
At the very least Trip, as the Ent era Scotty, would realize 'Hey while Im working on this newfangled warp7 engine thats top secret I can look up this more common cloaking device, prehaps say I have a theroy in how to use it to mask warp emissions during even non cloaked travel' or some BS story that sounds legit, and send cloak intel back home. That'd then remove the need to send the Fed flagship into Romulan space, in a breach of treaty that would count as an act of war under said treaty.
Ent was nice, they even planned to have an episode or episode arc with such luminaries as D.C. Fontana writing that would involve the Kzinti if it had gone another season, but the over riding problem was that Ent's writers MOSTLY sucked.
Sure it had SOME good episodes, but it had enough outright stupid plots and changes to trek to poison even the good stuff.
The whole suliban/temporal cold war arc was a complete waste of time, it was like the writers/producers went 'ololol we need incredible dangerous new enemy dat somehow wuz never mentioned before' When they should have just had some semi generic threats in season one, with the end of season one or early season two having the Humans get more involved in Vulcan/Andorian/Tellerite conflicts, making better friends with them, etc, leading into the Romulan war.
The fight with the holoship, which aside from the holoship and way the romulans were so advanced was a welldone arc for Ent (which is not saying THAT much unfortunitly). That whole arc could ahve, w/o the stupid time travel, been started in the 2nd/3rd season as the start of the earth/rom war, and it would have been quite awsome and not reinvented the whole trek back story.
THAT is the problem with Ent, it had to reinvent everything it could.
From the fight with the Suliban that included millions dead on earth, to the Vulcans overbearing goverment (lead by Romulan infiltrators at that!), to the Romulans HAVING a cloak, to the Klinks loosing their ridges, Ent was one big case of trying to hard to re-invent the wheel.
It was a damned shame too because Ent SHOULD have been one of the best series in trek. They had no big story to invent, just take the pieces alluded to in trek previously, then put them together and flesh out stories with that.
At the very least Trip, as the Ent era Scotty, would realize 'Hey while Im working on this newfangled warp7 engine thats top secret I can look up this more common cloaking device, prehaps say I have a theroy in how to use it to mask warp emissions during even non cloaked travel' or some BS story that sounds legit, and send cloak intel back home. That'd then remove the need to send the Fed flagship into Romulan space, in a breach of treaty that would count as an act of war under said treaty.
Ent was nice, they even planned to have an episode or episode arc with such luminaries as D.C. Fontana writing that would involve the Kzinti if it had gone another season, but the over riding problem was that Ent's writers MOSTLY sucked.
Sure it had SOME good episodes, but it had enough outright stupid plots and changes to trek to poison even the good stuff.
The whole suliban/temporal cold war arc was a complete waste of time, it was like the writers/producers went 'ololol we need incredible dangerous new enemy dat somehow wuz never mentioned before' When they should have just had some semi generic threats in season one, with the end of season one or early season two having the Humans get more involved in Vulcan/Andorian/Tellerite conflicts, making better friends with them, etc, leading into the Romulan war.
The fight with the holoship, which aside from the holoship and way the romulans were so advanced was a welldone arc for Ent (which is not saying THAT much unfortunitly). That whole arc could ahve, w/o the stupid time travel, been started in the 2nd/3rd season as the start of the earth/rom war, and it would have been quite awsome and not reinvented the whole trek back story.
THAT is the problem with Ent, it had to reinvent everything it could.
From the fight with the Suliban that included millions dead on earth, to the Vulcans overbearing goverment (lead by Romulan infiltrators at that!), to the Romulans HAVING a cloak, to the Klinks loosing their ridges, Ent was one big case of trying to hard to re-invent the wheel.
It was a damned shame too because Ent SHOULD have been one of the best series in trek. They had no big story to invent, just take the pieces alluded to in trek previously, then put them together and flesh out stories with that.
posted on August 29th, 2011, 9:26 am
Tok`ra wrote:to the Klinks loosing their ridges
I am too tired to go through your complete rant...
But this was made Canon in DS9... Trials and Tribble-ations, when Worf was telling O'brien and Bashir that those people on the Station are Klingons and that they don't talk about why they look different...
I found it rather good to have this "cleared" up with a rather good, perhaps a bit short, story arc following and tieing into the Augment Arc.
posted on August 29th, 2011, 9:32 am
It didn't really clear anything up, the Enterprise method of doing it was ham fisted, as was most of the series.
posted on August 29th, 2011, 1:45 pm
Tok`ra wrote:It'd make sense execpt..... noone knew squat about Romulans come TOS.
Well thats utter crap.
Thats just some crap that was repeated a few times in a couple of TOS episodes but the romulan wars happens long before this and thats what they were going to get into if enterprise continued so they must have known SOMETHING to say they knew nothing is utter crap, but if you remember when riker and picard were talking in his ready room preparing to go up agaisnt the rommies ( the episode where they also find of frozen bodys and revive them) riker said what we know about them is over 50 years old and picard said well then that makes what they know about us 50 years old, so startrek keeps contradicting each other so stop posting crap about your hate for enterprise when its every startrek series that has HUGE holes in it, thats just startrek for you.
Also lets not forget the fact that tucker went to work for section 31 they dont share mission info with starfleet so what tucker learned about the romulans in his time undercover is unlikely to find its way into the hands of starfleet admirals.
posted on August 29th, 2011, 2:03 pm
They never saw the Romulans throughout the entire war, and what's the 'contradiction' on Picard/Riker saying their data on the Romulans is out of date after a 50-year isolation period?
posted on August 29th, 2011, 2:28 pm
Tyler wrote:They never saw the Romulans throughout the entire war, and what's the 'contradiction' on Picard/Riker saying their data on the Romulans is out of date after a 50-year isolation period?
lol what do you mean what is the contradiction in the same episode they said they have no info on the romulans then they said the info they have is 50 years old..... you dont see the contradiction? info is info, and tokra said they didnt learn anything till TOS, clearly they did its just now 50 years old. They may not have seen the romulans them selves but they had to have seen and gained data on the ships, crew compliment,size,weapon system scans, they can even scan the lifeforms inside the ship like they have done in alot of episodes of startrek in almost every series i can remember so to say they have no information is utter crap.
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