Commander Tucker

posted on August 29th, 2011, 2:56 pm

TOS never saw the Romulans themselves or the modern ships/tech, with nothing to say they could scan the insides before. Attempts to scan a ships insides has failed before.

TNG was over 100 years after TOS. Still no contradiction.

posted on August 30th, 2011, 2:34 am

I was so pissed when they killed him. Unlike most I really liked Enterprise, and was very disappointed. Why did he even sacrafice himself over some worthless raiders? There were thousands of other situations he could have done that lol.

I enjoyed ENT too and Tucker was my favourite character so I too was annoyed at what they did. AT least he survived to be Captain in that alternative timeline before the Xindi killed him and he is still alive in the books and the Endeavour fan fiction.

In fact I liked the series so much I am doing a small FO ENT mod, where Captain Tucker is a avatar option.

[MrXT]

posted on August 30th, 2011, 4:02 pm

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TOS never saw the Romulans themselves or the modern ships/tech, with nothing to say they could scan the insides before. Attempts to scan a ships insides has failed before.

TNG was over 100 years after TOS. Still no contradiction.

To say you know nothing and then say what i know is 50 years old is a contradiction, something is more than nothing.

You either know something or you do not.

In another episode i remember riker saying something about what we know about the romulands being vague and sketchy but again this is still intel.

posted on August 30th, 2011, 4:16 pm

I know nothing (of the current state)

I know something but's too old...

No contradiction

posted on August 30th, 2011, 4:22 pm

To say you know nothing and then say what i know is 50 years old is a contradiction, something is more than nothing.

You either know something or you do not.

In another episode i remember riker saying something about what we know about the romulands being vague and sketchy but again this is still intel.

You still seem to be forgetting that they're different eras; knowing nothing in TOS and having out-of-date infor in TNG does not contradict.

posted on August 30th, 2011, 10:40 pm

You still seem to be forgetting that they're different eras; knowing nothing in TOS and having out-of-date infor in TNG does not contradict.

Not having info and not having up to date info are 2 different things it was a contradiction.

TOS wasnt that long after the romulan wars so they knew what they knew then.

TNG also knew what they knew then but it being 50 years old.

Having old info is not the same as having none, first they said they have zero info on them then they said what they had is 50 years old. Dont forget romulans kept the deridex running for decades so 50 year old info on the romulans isnt so bad at all.

posted on August 30th, 2011, 11:24 pm

You assume pre-TOS had the ability to hack the Romulan tech remotely and new about it, when all they did was target a ship and fire. They never had a chance to examine Romulan ships to learn about them, never seeing Romulans implies they never took any ships or outposts.

TNG's out-of-date data was from about 50 years after the TOS-era, with the Romulans going back into hiding after they had a chance to learn stuff. It would be a contradiction if it was the same era or if the 'out-of-date' came before the 'no data'.

posted on August 31st, 2011, 1:10 pm

You assume pre-TOS had the ability to hack the Romulan tech remotely and new about it, when all they did was target a ship and fire. They never had a chance to examine Romulan ships to learn about them, never seeing Romulans implies they never took any ships or outposts.

TNG's out-of-date data was from about 50 years after the TOS-era, with the Romulans going back into hiding after they had a chance to learn stuff. It would be a contradiction if it was the same era or if the 'out-of-date' came before the 'no data'.

You can gain info just by analysing their attack paterns how they act, what they do when they react, wether they like to watch all this is valuable military intel, all this info can be again analised by phycologists/body language experts and you could put a profile together of the romulan mind and how it thinks and again this is more military intel.

Ships, weapons,shields,cloak you can deduce more info by using old info and speculating by using logic.

It maybe 50 years old but ffs this is intel it is not nothing and unless the romulans somehow evolved more mentaly in just 50 years then it is still going to be accurate if i cant convince you that this is clearly a contradiction then i never will but you wont perswade me otherwise.

posted on August 31st, 2011, 4:23 pm

Watching how past commanders act tells you nothing about the commander you are facing or Romulans in general, it tells you what that particular commander might do.

You can tell little from old info because it's old and out of date. It says nothing about current tech because you don't know how they developed since then. 'Logical speculation' based on tech from the past is like trying to tell the future by watching past events for patterns.

Tech moves fast in wartime and the Romulans have been dealing with races on the other side of their space for 50 years, giving much opportunity for advancements like designing the D'deridex Class.

posted on August 31st, 2011, 7:11 pm

Watching how past commanders act tells you nothing about the commander you are facing or Romulans in general, it tells you what that particular commander might do.

You can tell little from old info because it's old and out of date. It says nothing about current tech because you don't know how they developed since then. 'Logical speculation' based on tech from the past is like trying to tell the future by watching past events for patterns.

Tech moves fast in wartime and the Romulans have been dealing with races on the other side of their space for 50 years, giving much opportunity for advancements like designing the D'deridex Class.

Iv worked along side military intelegence so i know how they do things, and they can very easly guess through logic and reason how people act from old intel.

How do you think they track people who havnt been in public for ages, they put together a profile study what that person has done before how they act in different situations and then guess and 9/10 times these profile are totaly correct.

I didnt say you could guess how commanders act anyway. They wouldnt know who is in command of the vessel they come aross and that would be impossible to predict anyway.

Attack paterns are based off previously effective battle situations, thats how the federation does it so the captian would tell the helmsman to engage patern omega or something, these paterns are similer for most races, its also quite logical to assume the romulands would do it too as it would be very difficult any other way.
A captian couldnt tell a helmsman to go left then right then fire at that things on the back of the ships then go right then down and up and fire again thats ridiculas, so it would be very logical to assume the romulans would do something like the federation does to make things simple.

These kinds of attack paterns can be seen from the war they had with the romulans, yes they might have more but they still have the info they had 50 years ago to use.

This is going way beyond what i said in the first place and that its a contradiction to say they have no info on the romulans and then say ok what we know is 50 years old at the end of the day information is information.

posted on September 15th, 2011, 4:09 am

TOS never saw the Romulans themselves

OH REALLY ?

posted on September 15th, 2011, 4:14 am

That was kinda after the relevent episode...

posted on September 15th, 2011, 7:41 am

That was kinda after the relevent episode...

Ah my bad, was a tad drunk and misread it.

posted on September 15th, 2011, 9:15 am

well enterprise may not have been the best star trek out there but it would have been nice to have had them do one last season and have finished  the star trek time line .........here is some of the plot ideas for season 5 of enterprise .....i think it could have been rather good .....just scroll down a bit http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes#Proposed_fifth_season_episodes

posted on September 15th, 2011, 1:07 pm

well enterprise may not have been the best star trek out there but it would have been nice to have had them do one last season and have finished  the star trek time line .........here is some of the plot ideas for season 5 of enterprise .....i think it could have been rather good .....just scroll down a bit http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes#Proposed_fifth_season_episodes

Yep i was quite disapointed because it was just about to go to the romulan wars and then it gets cancelled, according to an interview with the actor of tucker he would have been alive again in season 5 and in a relationship with tupol.