Birth of the Federation

posted on August 25th, 2010, 9:23 pm

Star Trek Klingon Academy for example is unplayable on most systems post 2003 era. Which is a shame.

its quite funny i got klingon academy working fine on my comp without any virtual machines. just luck of the draw i guess.

[Equinox1701e]

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:06 pm

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its quite funny i got klingon academy working fine on my comp without any virtual machines. just luck of the draw i guess.

Yeah back in the day when I replaced my old GeForce 4 128MB video card with a GeForce 7800GS I lost the ability to play Klingon Academy. Never had a system since then that could run it, I was planning on building a legacy system to run all my old PC games, I have a PIII mobo and CPU lying around and just got my hands on a new copy of Windows 98SE from our old work computers. Just have to see if I can get a good deal on an old GeForce 4 or Radeon 9800 somewhere to get it running.

And about the BotF AI, yeah its very hawkish in its ways, they are a bunch of demanding asshats and its very difficult to keep them happy. Your best bet is to try to expand and hopefully grab enough minor races that it doesnt matter who doesnt like you. Also if the AI attacks just keep sending peace offerings, eventually by them rejecting you it will start to lower their moral and alot of the time they wont even attack you, just keep a close eye on your neighbors and keep them happy.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 3:02 pm

and you wonder why i think botf isnt a good game ...

posted on August 26th, 2010, 6:40 pm

So you want to AI to hang on your every word, jump at the chance to be your friend, and go out on it's way to not attack you? Just doesn't sound like an interesting game to me. I guess the problem with BotF is that the I has the same goal as you.

[Tyler]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 6:43 pm

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Actually, what he wants is for it to act rationally. The diplomacy system doesn't work in that game.

This review mentions a number of problems it has: http://www.strategyplanet.com/content/reviews/botf/

posted on August 26th, 2010, 7:27 pm

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to read into the review, I've played it many times and never noticed the memory leak and perhaps it's the Total War AI I'm used to dealing with but backstabbing seems a standard issue with games without defined alliances but again I haven't experienced it very often. Other than that, in my experience, intercept makes for great border defense. And anyone who plays, try out UDM.

[Tyler]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 7:34 pm

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The important part of the review is that it includes the AI's failings. Backstabbing is fine, except this game breaks alliances and declares war, then offers peace and repeats at the drop of a hat with no reason or logic. Not something you'd expect the Federation to do every other turn...

[SinStar]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 7:42 pm

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As I said I haven't experienced backstabbing very often and certainly not every other turn. And if I may ask, have you played the patched or (better yet) modded game? It sounds as if the reviewer hadn't.

[Tyler]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 7:48 pm

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Patched originally, modded recently. Still gives more trouble, if reduced a bit. The 'every other turn' was more of a generalisation, they're completely random so it would be worse sometimes than others.

It would be a bad review if it had a mod installed... when you review a game, it would be dishonest to add a mod that changes it. You'd be reviewing the mod rather than the game.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 7:53 pm

Don't know what to tell you then, I've only had some trouble with back stabbing and I don't see a problem with ally AI since I can't control the ally AI, only game I've played that worked on it was Empire Earth 2 with the battle plans. I still think BotF is a great game and feel that you miss something for not playing it.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 8:14 pm

I do play it and still like it, despite the problems I have on it. I just don't play it as often as the other games I have.

[navyguy]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 8:30 pm

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went to file front to down load borg incursion, now my star trek armad 2 disc wont even load up, do you need that to play birth of the federation with your armada 2 disc, and it works the other games but itself it wont load up help? my disc keep's comeing back with a bug from windows, claiming access violation? i assume i need my armada 2 disc to download the mods? Iam asking do i need my armada2 disc to play birth of the federation.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 8:37 pm

Star Trek The Next Generation: Birth of the Federation for PC - GameFAQs
That's the game this topic is about. So not sure why you have Armada 2 involved.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 8:45 pm

went to file front to down load borg incursion, now my star trek armad 2 disc wont even load up, do you need that to play birth of the federation with your armada 2 disc, and it works the other games but itself it wont load up help? my disc keep's comeing back with a bug from windows, claiming access violation? i assume i need my armada 2 disc to download the mods? Iam asking do i need my armada2 disc to play birth of the federation.

not if you have a BotF CD.  I have heard that the a2 cd will run both bridge commander aswell as BotF, but I am not sure.

[navyguy]

posted on August 26th, 2010, 8:55 pm

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i dont understand what happened the disc will load up, but it wont play, never had a problem before, any suggestions as to why my next question do i need the armada 2 disc to run the mods from the website of birth of the federation. would really appreciate any input.