Politics

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 4:43 pm

karry consted ohio to bush. bush i have to say mably and sadly has won its a dork day for america.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 5:28 pm

Look all I am saying is dont dis the French or any other country for that matter, cause noone is perfect and we all contributed something to this world, some more than others. And you also acted in your favor, to get the oil, of course you also liberated Iraqi people on the way. The French are doing the same in their actions. I guess I just dont like when Americans think they are the best at everything, but hey thats in their nature

And I dont like Bush because he was f***ing with the whole world when he said saddam had THAT MUCH chemical weapons, I'm not saying he didnt have any, actually I am sure he did have them, but he said he had some many he could f***in kill half of Europe. And so cause panic throughout the world(kind of the same as the terrorists did on 9/11 )

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 8:19 pm

God damn Baron, you must be a moron too. Do any of you EVER think that MAYBE it was intels fault? Can it be a possibility that intel screwed up? Isn't that a CHANCE that intel screwed up? Another thing is there might be WMD in Iraq in the desert somewhere. Did you ever think of that also?

1 more thing, for the most part it seems we are the best at everything. That in no way reflects other countries negatively but is simply because of our population numbers, technology, basically history under which our country was formed.

I don't see why people say we did it for oil but i'm guessing because you have to find fault in Iraqs liberation. We have to 'police the world' because no other country will for political reasons. If your from one of the countries that condemned Iraq then screw you and go about your business.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:12 pm

God damn Baron, you must be a moron too. Do any of you EVER think that MAYBE it was intels fault? Can it be a possibility that intel screwed up? Isn't that a CHANCE that intel screwed up? Another thing is there might be WMD in Iraq in the desert somewhere. Did you ever think of that also?

I said they PROBABLY HAD WMD but not as much as Bush said they have, he exagurated ALOT only to get allies, thats why I am mad with him, cause he lied to get other people into a bloody conflict. And I dont think the INTEL could be THAT wrong, and they prolly have some in the desert but as I said b4 not as much as he said there were.

1 more thing, for the most part it seems we are the best at everything. That in no way reflects other countries negatively but is simply because of our population numbers, technology, basically history under which our country was formed.

See this is another thing thats bothering me, you are "the best". In tech Japan is ahead of you, in some areas at least. R u the best in handball?? Do u even know what that is???
You have ALOT of kills every year. Your unemployed numbers are way high, the value of your currency is falling, average paycheck in US is much lower than lets say in Schwitzerland, do I really need to go on.
Now is that "the best" at everything??

I don't see why people say we did it for oil but i'm guessing because you have to find fault in Iraqs liberation.

As far as I know Iraq isnt liberated yet, there is still lots of fighting in there, ally soldiers are dieing everyday. And we dont have to look for flaws cause there are so many. Do u have any idea how many Iraq citizents died so far?? Do u know how many hospitals or schools you bombed so far??? Know that for every your soldier that dies at least 100 innocent civilians die, now would you like that kind of liberation?? At least I wouldnt

We have to 'police the world' because no other country will for political reasons.

Who ask you to do that?? Did anyone say that our world needs a cop? Other countrys are always going to have their own conflicts, you cant just send in troops and try to settle the conflict, I mean dont u know that. Not only that other countrys dont want that but your also wearing yourself out, your gonna run out of troops But seriously your defence bill is higher than ever, and your taking money off other important proyects, the kind that would benefit your country.

If your from one of the countries that condemned Iraq then screw you and go about your business.

Why cant you go your own business?? Leave other countrys to settle their own differences. But I must say that this Iraq thing could turn out into another Vietnam for you As they are very religious people and will not surrender till your out of their country, this happened to Russians b4 remember the Afganistan

[hypercube]

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:24 pm

Last edited by hypercube on November 3rd, 2004, 9:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

look it's very funny this iraq war and the previous war in afganistan. does anyone remember what united states said at the beggining of ww1 and ww2?
i'll tell you what!
they told the world (usa allies) that war in europe is none of their buisnes, that it simply doesn't consider them! But now they MUST play world police! Have you imbeciles even considered leaving them alone? You liberated yourselves from UK in a civil war! back than nobody was sticking their noses into your buissnes, it's all about oil! don't give me that ton of bullsh*t about trying to "liborate" the people! since when do you give two craps about anyone but your own BIG FAT ASSES?
you attacked iraq becuse thay may had weapons of mass destruction, and now where are thay?

Your precious bush is a puppet and the governament is pulling the strings, and they are only driven by COLD HARD CASH!!

that's about it!!!!!!
ps: f*** ya and good night!

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:30 pm

Well I wouldnt be so hursh on them, I just want them to admit they were driven by their own ambitions(oil) and not to liberate Iraq people/ destroy WMD

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:30 pm

I will answer each in the order you quoted me.

1. Maybe there are many weapons in the desert somewhere. Do you know how bad intel can be? It can turn a walk in the park to an ambush or a well places bomb on a T-72 into a well places bomb on a school.

2. Now did I specify what? No, and I also didn't say we were at absolutely everything, a misquote that you shouldn't have made seeing as how the text is right in your face. We are the best militarily, which their is no question. Technologically unmayched although Japan is better off in microcomputers.

3. Iraq is indeed liberated, to say not to would be crazy. I don't recall hearing hundreds die in a hospital bombing or anything of the such either. We have lost so few troops compared to other conflicts that I would have to say this is one of the greatest military victories in the world so far. To lose less then 2 thousand when we lost 58 thousand in vietnam, over a hundred thousand in Korea and hundreds of thousands in WWII, is a marvel of military genius. No one should debate that but for some reason they appear to be...

4. We take money off of our projects to help the world, not to act selfishly. If we, lets say, let Saddam keep Kuwait, how many innocents would have died the hmm? Even if there was a coalition without our support, do you think it would be as powerful as it would be with our support? In order to have a safe world in the future we must fight now, if you don't fight then you are almost no better then the terrorists themselves. Take a stand now or let someone else do it, an interesting choice for some nations.

5. As i've said earlier we have had remarkably few losses to have taken over an entire country. To think that we will stay there is nonsense seeing as how we are beginning to move troops out. Another Vietnam? How you looked at the numbers? With 1/4th the troops we had in vietnam we have done so much more. Vietnam indeed, lol.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:31 pm

I really have nothing to say to you Hypercube, nothing you said is true at all and you are in fact a moron for actually believeing any of it. To hell with you and good night.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:39 pm

defiant the definition of liboration: to take BACK territiry from another ruller lost in previous engagements. your "liboration" can also be understood as a full scale invasion and occupation of a land that is no more yours than mine.

don't missunderstand me! I DO NOT AGREE with terrorism or dictationship, but it was not your place to do what you did.

you also said that your army is the strongest in the world! yes i agree, but you attacked a country that is the fifth of yours and has ten times less troops and 20 times less equipment OFCOURSE there wasn't many losses!
it was a no loose situation.

[hypercube]

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:47 pm

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and one more thing! hmm WMD, if you have them why shouldn't anyone else have them? This is not protecting the peace but holding other countries back from development!
at one point you created an atom bomb and used it do defeat your enemy! you still have those, and lots of other WMD such as hydrogen bomb, and also bio weapons, so why can't we decide as did you to have them? if you have the capability to destroy any of our cities from a safe location any country should have a chance to at least strike back!

and defiant this is simply my opinion don't be mad! bu you have to understand that sooner or later you will have to stop playing the world police or, i fear say it, there will be yet another great war.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 9:50 pm

We are the best militarily, which their is no question. Technologically unmayched although Japan is better off in microcomputers.

You are better in military not in tech

I don't recall hearing hundreds die in a hospital bombing or anything of the such either.

Then you dont watch the news very often

. We have lost so few troops compared to other conflicts that I would have to say this is one of the greatest military victories in the world so far. To lose less then 2 thousand when we lost 58 thousand in vietnam, over a hundred thousand in Korea and hundreds of thousands in WWII, is a marvel of military genius. No one should debate that but for some reason they appear to be...

Yeah a real marvel, to kill people with 70 year old equipment, really simply genious!!!

4. We take money off of our projects to help the world, not to act selfishly. If we, lets say, let Saddam keep Kuwait, how many innocents would have died the hmm?

But you dont get it, THATS THEIR WAR, THIR CONFLICT, NO NEED FOR YOU TO INTERVENE, or is it better to kill some more people to end the conflict

Even if there was a coalition without our support, do you think it would be as powerful as it would be with our support? In order to have a safe world in the future we must fight now, if you don't fight then you are almost no better then the terrorists themselves. Take a stand now or let someone else do it, an interesting choice for some nations.

No the coalition wouldnt be as strong without your support, without you there actually wouldnt be a coalition
Tell me what are you so afraid of?? Why must we fight now, against who must we fight? The terrorists? Do u even know why they attacked you, or do u think they were just some stupid foreign guys who went mad? Its funny noone bombed the other countrys, the ones that are not in the coalition, not including the Israel of course but thats another story. So why should we fight? Because of some imaginary threat that will never hurt us if we dont hurt them?? I think not

5. As i've said earlier we have had remarkably few losses to have taken over an entire country. To think that we will stay there is nonsense seeing as how we are beginning to move troops out. Another Vietnam? How you looked at the numbers? With 1/4th the troops we had in vietnam we have done so much more. Vietnam indeed, lol.

We shall see

[Anonymous]

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 10:40 pm

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Wooow, guys please calm down.... The Iraqi situation is not that simple. I think that pulling the coalicion military presence from Iraq would be another dissaster. The thing is that there is some "stench" in reasons for military action in Iraq. Do you even all know why USA and it's allies attacked Saddams regime? There is of course not just one reason:
1. There was reasonable fear that Saddam posseses weapons of mass destruction, we all know that he managed to kill about 200 000 Kurds whit it's chemical weapons (why was not he attacked then?? That was slap in the face of whole world, shame on us indeed). USA intel also had some info about material for building nuclear bomb. This is possible too. Saddam has finaly accepted UN's experts to review all Iraq's military and scientific installations but it was tot late. So far nothing was found although USA has sperb spying sattelites and spying technology. But on the other hand Iraq is very big country, and not so populated, has huge good spaces to cover something.
2. Oil - no question about it. Iraq has huge quatities of oil, but doesn't produce it too much. Bush campaign was partialy funded by oil companies.
3. USA thought that Saddam is helping Osama Bin Laden and his Al-quaida. USA felt very defenceless and vulnerable after that attack 9.11. It was first attack on their own teritory and despite so big intel service and huge military who wouldn't be. It started another kind of "terorist" war which they didn't know how to battle at first.
I think that whole world should stand up against terrorism of any kind. Also, we must not forget who actualy created Osama and for what purposes, looks like boomerang to me.
4. Make permanent USA presence in this region, region is richfull in oil and Iran is also almost an enemy. All this "presence" started with attack on Talibans in Afganistan. I also think that Talibans should have been removed. Also USA is big ally of Israel.
5. To test new military technologies in actual action, why do you need all that military (and it's budget) if you doesn't use it.

As i said from the beggining situation in Iraq is not that simple. There are many nations and religions who even hate each other, some allyies of USA some not. Now there are areas which are controled by USA (mostly oil industrial areas and some part of cities), all bases are fortresses, almost no one helps civilians. There are regions with religius leaders that have their own armies. And there is even less food now.

For now I don't see any good and qiuck solution for Iraq. But one thing is clear, whole world should participate with Iraqi people to make new and better Iraq.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 10:49 pm

Hypercube, I won't answer as I don't think it's needed. Baron, made a few points but still is acting like a hard line left winger. Sfera made the most sense and we prolly will keep 4 airbases in Iraq. I don't support that but I guess if the Iraqis need help it's sitting a few miles away. Uh in regard to Barons remark on the civilians killed thing, I watch CNN constantly, again I will characterize you as a moron for bringing up something that isn't true.

Let me see, the complete anniahlation of innocent Iraqi troops (not the republican guard so much), especially when they are forced to fight is wrong, but not much you can do. As for 70 year old equipment, the M-16 is about 40 years, the m1911 pistol was made in 1911. We used the thompson submachine gun until the 80's when it was made at the end of WWI. If I recall the F-14 Tomcat was made in the 60's. The Iraqis were using T-54'ss and T-72's and such, they simply arnt of too high quality.

Food here so I get off and reply to your replys.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 11:03 pm

Oh and I also forgot something in my earlier "article".
Don't you all forget that USA military tortured some of the prisioners for a long time.
Luckily most of "lower" guilty ones were prosecuted. USA definitly didn't need that in eyes of the world.

posted on November 3rd, 2004, 11:10 pm

First of I agree with everything Sfera said, and if u watch closely 4 of his 5 points were minuses and only one plus so this kind of proves my point that u went in there with other agenda in mind, and your primery objective was not liberation of Iraq

And BTW I am a moron cause u dont know they bomb a new hospital every other week?? And that tons of civilians get killed?? You may be watching CNN but I guess u aint seeing whats really going on and thats kind of sad :cry: