New Orlean Reconstruction
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posted on January 22nd, 2006, 12:16 am
i'm sure a lot of people won't
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 12:28 am
I did look it up and I do have the truth.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:00 am
you know i just notesed thare alll dated 2002 be for we know what a crupt, lier, and frod bush realy is lol.
bill Clinton i can find no present link to his apon now that the WMD and link to tarisom was a lie. i can not find cerint stament from him. his vows will be no difrant from the rest of the part you can be sher of that shock, disaponment, anger, frustartion, and distrust.
bill Clinton i can find no present link to his apon now that the WMD and link to tarisom was a lie. i can not find cerint stament from him. his vows will be no difrant from the rest of the part you can be sher of that shock, disaponment, anger, frustartion, and distrust.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:02 am
personally i think the iraqi war was a good thing as it got rid of saddam who had been killing his own ppl and was a threat to global peace and you cant deny that
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:05 am
you know i just notesed thare alll dated 2002 be for we know what a crupt, lier, and frod bush realy is lol.
bill Clinton i can find no present link to his apon now that the WMD and link to tarisom was a lie. i can not find cerint stament from him. his vows will be no difrant from the rest of the part you can be sher of that shock, disaponment, anger, frustartion, and distrust.
Of course they're dated 2002, considering thats when they said them. I could go back and change them to '06 if ya want, to make them more 'modern'.
To Frodo:
Perfect explanation, which means ewm will ignore it.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:07 am
Last edited by ewm90 on January 22nd, 2006, 1:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
bill clinton on staments i looked thow whished we had ginein the un more time stated in - 2005 nov
i agree we rushed to war to fast and make up fake in intelagints make you wonder why bush wonted to go to war so bady no one but bush will ever know the truth.
i think the war was a heribal failer of ower presadent and a failer checks and blaines.
hey i read every thing thats posted and thing about it be for responding. that was a unfare coment [=!=]RedShirt.
i agree we rushed to war to fast and make up fake in intelagints make you wonder why bush wonted to go to war so bady no one but bush will ever know the truth.
i think the war was a heribal failer of ower presadent and a failer checks and blaines.
hey i read every thing thats posted and thing about it be for responding. that was a unfare coment [=!=]RedShirt.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:20 am
Give me a list of aspects you think make it a failure.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 1:40 am
1) the fact that the bush adminastration did not do more work to make sher the intell he had was sownd and the fownd haveing a doutes vosted to him about the inframtion did do more to make sher it was sound intell.
2) rushing to war with out backup plands incase of things like a inserginsy.
3) ingnoring the UN inprestion what was the pont of evin having one if he was not going to take it serisly.
4) the fact that we have a raging inserginsy that trating to plung the contry in to sival war.
5) the fact that we puch the bathist out of the govermt leving tham no option but to be come insergints.
6) are seeming inabulity to trane a nuff iraqs to take over sercirty of most iraq or all of iraq.
7) the fact that we have still no cleer idea if the contry will work of not.
the fact we dont have anuff capital to giver ower brave men and woman all the aquipmant thay need.
9) the fact the contry is so unsafe the meda can not go evry wher it wonts to resport all side eny more.
10) the fact that we wint in to iraq to push tarists out but insted let tarists in to the contrys a sad twist of fate.
11) the fact that if we dont see the inserginsy quite down after the govermental elections thare will be very lital hope for the USA to get iraq back on its feet.
---- i have a feeling we will here some start realitys coming from the preadent on january 30 his state of the unon.
2) rushing to war with out backup plands incase of things like a inserginsy.
3) ingnoring the UN inprestion what was the pont of evin having one if he was not going to take it serisly.
4) the fact that we have a raging inserginsy that trating to plung the contry in to sival war.
5) the fact that we puch the bathist out of the govermt leving tham no option but to be come insergints.
6) are seeming inabulity to trane a nuff iraqs to take over sercirty of most iraq or all of iraq.
7) the fact that we have still no cleer idea if the contry will work of not.

9) the fact the contry is so unsafe the meda can not go evry wher it wonts to resport all side eny more.
10) the fact that we wint in to iraq to push tarists out but insted let tarists in to the contrys a sad twist of fate.
11) the fact that if we dont see the inserginsy quite down after the govermental elections thare will be very lital hope for the USA to get iraq back on its feet.
---- i have a feeling we will here some start realitys coming from the preadent on january 30 his state of the unon.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 2:06 am
Last edited by Anonymous on January 22nd, 2006, 3:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
1) the fact that the bush adminastration did not do more work to make sher the intell he had was sownd and the fownd haveing a doutes vosted to him about the inframtion did do more to make sher it was sound intell.
Irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the war itself.
Also, our intel would have been alot better if Clinton didn't SCREW IT UP during his term.
2) rushing to war with out backup plands incase of things like a inserginsy.
Yet again, that has nothing to do with the progress we've made in Iraq.
3) ingnoring the UN inprestion what was the pont of evin having one if he was not going to take it serisly.
There WAS no point.
4) the fact that we have a raging inserginsy that trating to plung the contry in to sival war.
Finnaly, something that is relevant to the war.
And do you know where those insurgents are coming from? Syria, Iran, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia.
5) the fact that we puch the bathist out of the govermt leving tham no option but to be come insergints.
My GOD, get a grip on REALITY! Iraq has a DEMOCRACY now, so if the ba'thists arn't in the government, THAT MEANS THE IRAQIS DONT WANT THEM THERE.
6) are seeming inabulity to trane a nuff iraqs to take over sercirty of most iraq or all of iraq.
This is a valid point, but I'm sure that the Iraqis are ALOT more ready that the liberal media lets on. In fact, the terrorists see them as such a big threat they've taken to targeting them instead of the US forces!
7) the fact that we have still no cleer idea if the contry will work of not.
No progress can ever be made unless risks are taken.
8) the fact we dont have anuff capital to giver ower brave men and woman all the aquipmant thay need.
If you know a way to fix this, I'd love to hear about it.
9) the fact the contry is so unsafe the meda can not go evry wher it wonts to resport all side eny more.
Its a shame, because they're missing all the good news on the front lines.
10) the fact that we wint in to iraq to push tarists out but insted let tarists in to the contrys a sad twist of fate.
The fact that Saddam's oppresive government is no longer in power MORE than makes up for it.
11) the fact that if we dont see the inserginsy quite down after the govermental elections thare will be very lital hope for the USA to get iraq back on its feet.
In case you havn't noticed, the insurgency has been winding down since... well, since we invaded Iraq.
Now, my turn.
1) Saddam is GONE. Can't argue with that one.
2) Iraq has a Democratic govenment
3) The insurgency is quieting down.
4) The Kurds are free to rebuild after Saddam's oppresion (which included using WMDs on them!)
5) Al-Qaeda is crumbling.
6) US casualties are diminishing
7) The Iraqi most wanted are mostly put away or dead.(including the Hussien brothers, who were arguably WORSE than their father)

9) The Shiites are no longer oppressed.
10) Many formerly exiled Iraqis are able to return to their homeland in peace.
11) Isreal is safe from Iraq
12) The Palestinian terrorists are no longer funded by Iraq
13) The Iraqi government has representitives from ALL major ethnic groups, and instead of bieng a simgle party, is now over 100 seperate parties.
14) The number of US troops in Iraq are decreasing.
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Oh, and I found this which I think I'll post here
'War is a horrible thing. However, we need to remember that sometimes there are worse alternatives.'
1 -
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
2 -
A man who has nothing for which he willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
3 -
All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.
Number 1 and 2 pretty much describes the anti-war movement. These people would have loved Chamberlane. Given the opportunity to "maintain" peace at all costs, these people would have marched to prevent their country into war to protect others and then sold their own children into slavery to keep themselves alive when the enemy comes to their own front doors. I like to call them liberals.
Number 3 pretty much describes France and their "veto any resolution put forth by the United States" stance they took at the UN Security Council.
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*deleted; turned out to be false*
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I dare you to find ONE SPEECH by President Bush that specificly states that there was a link beween Iraq and Al-Qaeda!
Also, you say Bush was wrong to attack Iraq?
Click This Link NOW.
"The activity occurred shortly after U.S. President Bill Clinton announced he had ordered a "strong, sustained" series of airstrikes on military and security forces in Iraq, designed to degrade Iraq's ability to develop weapons of mass destruction."
Wow - a PRE-EMPTIVE strike against a nation that DIDN'T immediately threaten the U.S. or the world!!! Now, where did I hear THAT before?
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Want some more?
Click this!
From Mr. Kay himself regarding the current search on Iraqi WMD:
"We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 2:49 am
Last edited by ewm90 on January 22nd, 2006, 1:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
1) serow what up? what do you mean how do you think he scowed it up?
2) i think it duss we would have made alot more progress if we had planed beeter.
3) the dimacrats dont a gree and most of the warld duss not agree. thay told us it is unlikly that iraq has wmd. wich sould have made bush stop his invation and have the us intelaginst comunity pull up more information. the bill atherising bush to go to war in iraq was athrised only if thare was clear infromation that thare was a hi chase of WMD the un report stated that the infarmation that the bush adminastration put out was not a slam dunk and need to be rechecked.
4) the kerd wher free to do that eny whay be for the inavation is the kerdish secter that was pertected by the usa.
5)well the problom is meny have joned the insergisy be cuss thay feel hopless and thay are hoping the insergisy can make sher thay have a job in the fucher.
6) well all so the far and blinsted meda shares the same feer.
7) but some risk should not be takin.
get rid of taxcuts and get rid of alot of pork chage the way we do bisnes in gonral.
9) not only that we cant hear the conser of the insergisy eny more so it makes it hard to know if we are doing the right things diplamticly.
10) i dont agree tarist and uther pepal how can and mite grab power in the fucher could be evin wers for iraq and the USA/isreal.
11) i have seen tham get more dedly. its inposbule to say thay have ben witaled down sisn no one has eny idea how meny thare are.
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[=!=]RedShirt rebutal
1) thats true.
2) maby thare are alot of atonimes regons and womans rights and meny laws that we conserter vital we had to do away with to make sher we evin had a goverment.
3) thay quited down dering the election now thay have resommed thare normal levals.
4) i think you meen thay have a chase ot have a atomais kerdish state in the fucher posabule.
5) i am not convisted.
6) its ben about the same the last coppal of day thare was a slite drop thare wher 2 deths two day.
7) thats a cleer pluse
that can be debated. when we trised to inpose free rhites for wwoman we fownd alot of ded woman flowing down the river in the cinter of bagdad and we have ben cuting back womans rights ever sens to try to rech compermizes over the goverment.
9) thats true. but if the soonis **** of the sheites anuff we mite have ethic clinssing.
10) the ones left alive.
11) that depinds on if we can get a goverment to gether and keep it.
12) thats true.
13) yep thats true.
14) thats be cuss of the strong opasinson and chging tactics to the war, not becuss of progress.
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bushs link beween between al-qita and iraq - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/ - MSnbc

Staff members of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States testify as the independent panel opens its final public hearing on the attacks Wednesday in Washington.
9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida
Commission opens final hearing before release of report
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET June 16, 2004
WASHINGTON - The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States.
In a report based on research and interviews by the commission staff, the panel said that bin Laden made overtures to toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for assistance, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
The report said that bin Laden explored possible cooperation with Saddam at the urging of allies in Sudan eager to protect their own ties to Iraq, even though the al-Qaida leader had previously provided support for “anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.”
Bin Laden ceased that support in the early 1990s, opening the way for a meeting between the al-Qaida leader and a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in 1994 in Sudan, the report said. At the meeting, bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps in Iraq as well as Iraqi assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded, the staff report said.
No ‘collaborative relationship’ seen
It said that reports of subsequent contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan “do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship,” and added that two unidentified senior bin Laden associates "have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq."
The report, the 15th released by the commission staff, concluded, “We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaida cooperated on attacks against the United States.”
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RELATED STORY
Sept. 11 plot initially called for 10 planes
Fred Fielding, a Republican member of the commission, prodded witnesses about their conclusion, citing a 1998 indictment of bin Laden that alleged links with the then-Iraqi leader.
But U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald of Illinois said that while such claims were contained in the original indictment, they were dropped when later charges were filed.
The panel's findings were released two days after Vice President **** Cheney asserted that Saddam had "long-established ties" with al-Qaida.
Bush says al-Zarqawi ‘best evidence’
President Bush defended the statement in a news conference Tuesday, saying the presence in Iraq of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is accused of trying to disrupt the transfer of sovereignty as well as last month's decapitation of American Nicholas Berg, provides "the best evidence of connection to al-Qaida affiliates and al-Qaida."
In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives. They stopped short of claiming that Iraq was directly involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, but critics say Bush officials left that impression with the American public.
The White House had no immediate comment on the report's conclusion, but it drew a fresh attack on Bush from Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate.
"The administration misled America and the administration reached too far," the Massachusetts Democrat told Michigan NPR in an interview.
Meeting between hijacker, Iraqi agent discounted
In a second staff report released Wednesday, the commission staff said that Mohamed Atta, the pilot of one of the planes that struck the World Trade Center and leader of the 19 hijackers, never met with Iraqi agents in Prague, Czech Republic. That purported meeting also has been cited as evidence of a possible al-Qaida connection to Iraq.
“We do not believe that such a meeting occurred,” the report said.
The release of the reports came as the 10-member commission opened its final public hearing on the attacks. The hearing, being held Wednesday and Thursday, will cover the Sept. 11 plot and the emergency response by the Federal Aviation Administration and U.S. air defenses. Commissioners say they will delve into the actions of the nation’s top leaders during critical moments of the attacks.
The panel intends to issue a final report in July on the hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001 that killed nearly 3,000, destroyed the World Trade Centers in New York and damaged the Pentagon outside Washington. A fourth plane commandeered by terrorists crashed in the countryside in Pennsylvania.
At the final public hearing, the commission was planning to focus on the nation’s air defense, details of the plot and confusion and miscommunication among agencies during the attacks, hindering a response.
How al-Qaida became ‘fast-acting, poisonous’
“We’re going to talk about the evolution of al-Qaida and how they moved from one type of organization in the late 1980s to a more fast-acting, poisonous organization in the 1990s, more spread out and dispersed,” said Timothy Roemer, a Democratic commissioner and former representative from Indiana.
“We’ll be looking at the timeline as to whether or not we had an opportunity to deflect any of the airliners, and how decisions were made by the highest people in government,” he said.
In its report, the commission staff pieced together information on the development of bin Laden’s network, from the far-flung training camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to funding from “well-placed financial facilitators and diversions of funds from Islamic charities.”
Reports that bin Laden had a huge personal fortune to finance acts of terror are overstated, the report said.
The description of the training camp operations contained elements of faint, grudging praise.
“A worldwide jihad needed terrorists who could bomb embassies or hijack airliners, but it also needed foot soldiers for the Taliban in its war against the Northern Alliance, and guerrillas who could shoot down Russian helicopters in Chechnya or ambush Indian units in Kashmir,” it said.
According to one unnamed senior al-Qaida associate, various ideas were floated by mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the commission said. The options included taking over a launcher and forcing Russian scientists to fire a nuclear missile at the United States, mounting mustard gas or cyanide attacks against Jewish areas in Iraq or releasing poison gas into the air conditioning system of a targeted building.
“Last but not least, hijacking an aircraft and crashing it into an airport or nearby city,” it said.
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about that CNN link you posted December 16, 1998 at that time it was posabule be had some biolagical weponds. but clinton was smart a nuff not to go to war with iraq.
doing strick and comiting the us army to a ocupation are 2 very difrant things.
the stricks scare iraq in to geting back to the negoshation tabule.
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the cia link you posted
a sniped from it: http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/spee...y_10022003.html
We have not yet found stocks of weapons, but we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapon stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only task is to find where they have gone. We are actively engaged in searching for such weapons based on information being supplied to us by Iraqis.
2) i think it duss we would have made alot more progress if we had planed beeter.
3) the dimacrats dont a gree and most of the warld duss not agree. thay told us it is unlikly that iraq has wmd. wich sould have made bush stop his invation and have the us intelaginst comunity pull up more information. the bill atherising bush to go to war in iraq was athrised only if thare was clear infromation that thare was a hi chase of WMD the un report stated that the infarmation that the bush adminastration put out was not a slam dunk and need to be rechecked.
4) the kerd wher free to do that eny whay be for the inavation is the kerdish secter that was pertected by the usa.
5)well the problom is meny have joned the insergisy be cuss thay feel hopless and thay are hoping the insergisy can make sher thay have a job in the fucher.
6) well all so the far and blinsted meda shares the same feer.
7) but some risk should not be takin.

9) not only that we cant hear the conser of the insergisy eny more so it makes it hard to know if we are doing the right things diplamticly.
10) i dont agree tarist and uther pepal how can and mite grab power in the fucher could be evin wers for iraq and the USA/isreal.
11) i have seen tham get more dedly. its inposbule to say thay have ben witaled down sisn no one has eny idea how meny thare are.
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[=!=]RedShirt rebutal
1) thats true.
2) maby thare are alot of atonimes regons and womans rights and meny laws that we conserter vital we had to do away with to make sher we evin had a goverment.
3) thay quited down dering the election now thay have resommed thare normal levals.
4) i think you meen thay have a chase ot have a atomais kerdish state in the fucher posabule.
5) i am not convisted.
6) its ben about the same the last coppal of day thare was a slite drop thare wher 2 deths two day.
7) thats a cleer pluse

9) thats true. but if the soonis **** of the sheites anuff we mite have ethic clinssing.
10) the ones left alive.
11) that depinds on if we can get a goverment to gether and keep it.
12) thats true.
13) yep thats true.
14) thats be cuss of the strong opasinson and chging tactics to the war, not becuss of progress.
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bushs link beween between al-qita and iraq - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/ - MSnbc

Staff members of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States testify as the independent panel opens its final public hearing on the attacks Wednesday in Washington.
9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida
Commission opens final hearing before release of report
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET June 16, 2004
WASHINGTON - The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States.
In a report based on research and interviews by the commission staff, the panel said that bin Laden made overtures to toppled Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein for assistance, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
The report said that bin Laden explored possible cooperation with Saddam at the urging of allies in Sudan eager to protect their own ties to Iraq, even though the al-Qaida leader had previously provided support for “anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.”
Bin Laden ceased that support in the early 1990s, opening the way for a meeting between the al-Qaida leader and a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in 1994 in Sudan, the report said. At the meeting, bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps in Iraq as well as Iraqi assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded, the staff report said.
No ‘collaborative relationship’ seen
It said that reports of subsequent contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan “do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship,” and added that two unidentified senior bin Laden associates "have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qaida and Iraq."
The report, the 15th released by the commission staff, concluded, “We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaida cooperated on attacks against the United States.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
RELATED STORY
Sept. 11 plot initially called for 10 planes
Fred Fielding, a Republican member of the commission, prodded witnesses about their conclusion, citing a 1998 indictment of bin Laden that alleged links with the then-Iraqi leader.
But U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald of Illinois said that while such claims were contained in the original indictment, they were dropped when later charges were filed.
The panel's findings were released two days after Vice President **** Cheney asserted that Saddam had "long-established ties" with al-Qaida.
Bush says al-Zarqawi ‘best evidence’
President Bush defended the statement in a news conference Tuesday, saying the presence in Iraq of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is accused of trying to disrupt the transfer of sovereignty as well as last month's decapitation of American Nicholas Berg, provides "the best evidence of connection to al-Qaida affiliates and al-Qaida."
In making the case for war in Iraq, Bush administration officials frequently cited what they said were Saddam's decade-long contacts with al-Qaida operatives. They stopped short of claiming that Iraq was directly involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, but critics say Bush officials left that impression with the American public.
The White House had no immediate comment on the report's conclusion, but it drew a fresh attack on Bush from Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate.
"The administration misled America and the administration reached too far," the Massachusetts Democrat told Michigan NPR in an interview.
Meeting between hijacker, Iraqi agent discounted
In a second staff report released Wednesday, the commission staff said that Mohamed Atta, the pilot of one of the planes that struck the World Trade Center and leader of the 19 hijackers, never met with Iraqi agents in Prague, Czech Republic. That purported meeting also has been cited as evidence of a possible al-Qaida connection to Iraq.
“We do not believe that such a meeting occurred,” the report said.
The release of the reports came as the 10-member commission opened its final public hearing on the attacks. The hearing, being held Wednesday and Thursday, will cover the Sept. 11 plot and the emergency response by the Federal Aviation Administration and U.S. air defenses. Commissioners say they will delve into the actions of the nation’s top leaders during critical moments of the attacks.
The panel intends to issue a final report in July on the hijackings on Sept. 11, 2001 that killed nearly 3,000, destroyed the World Trade Centers in New York and damaged the Pentagon outside Washington. A fourth plane commandeered by terrorists crashed in the countryside in Pennsylvania.
At the final public hearing, the commission was planning to focus on the nation’s air defense, details of the plot and confusion and miscommunication among agencies during the attacks, hindering a response.
How al-Qaida became ‘fast-acting, poisonous’
“We’re going to talk about the evolution of al-Qaida and how they moved from one type of organization in the late 1980s to a more fast-acting, poisonous organization in the 1990s, more spread out and dispersed,” said Timothy Roemer, a Democratic commissioner and former representative from Indiana.
“We’ll be looking at the timeline as to whether or not we had an opportunity to deflect any of the airliners, and how decisions were made by the highest people in government,” he said.
In its report, the commission staff pieced together information on the development of bin Laden’s network, from the far-flung training camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere, to funding from “well-placed financial facilitators and diversions of funds from Islamic charities.”
Reports that bin Laden had a huge personal fortune to finance acts of terror are overstated, the report said.
The description of the training camp operations contained elements of faint, grudging praise.
“A worldwide jihad needed terrorists who could bomb embassies or hijack airliners, but it also needed foot soldiers for the Taliban in its war against the Northern Alliance, and guerrillas who could shoot down Russian helicopters in Chechnya or ambush Indian units in Kashmir,” it said.
According to one unnamed senior al-Qaida associate, various ideas were floated by mujahedeen in Afghanistan, the commission said. The options included taking over a launcher and forcing Russian scientists to fire a nuclear missile at the United States, mounting mustard gas or cyanide attacks against Jewish areas in Iraq or releasing poison gas into the air conditioning system of a targeted building.
“Last but not least, hijacking an aircraft and crashing it into an airport or nearby city,” it said.
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about that CNN link you posted December 16, 1998 at that time it was posabule be had some biolagical weponds. but clinton was smart a nuff not to go to war with iraq.
doing strick and comiting the us army to a ocupation are 2 very difrant things.
the stricks scare iraq in to geting back to the negoshation tabule.
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the cia link you posted
a sniped from it: http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/spee...y_10022003.html
We have not yet found stocks of weapons, but we are not yet at the point where we can say definitively either that such weapon stocks do not exist or that they existed before the war and our only task is to find where they have gone. We are actively engaged in searching for such weapons based on information being supplied to us by Iraqis.
posted on January 22nd, 2006, 7:46 pm
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1) serow what up? what do you mean how do you think he scowed it up?
Why ewm, isn't it obvious? By enacting law that stated that no US intellegance official could affiliate with anyone with a criminal background- which effectively ELIMINATED 90% of out intellegance gathering capbilities.
2) i think it duss we would have made alot more progress if we had planed beeter.
The Iraqi "army" sure seemed like it caved pretty fast to me.
3) the dimacrats dont a gree and most of the warld duss not agree. thay told us it is unlikly that iraq has wmd. wich sould have made bush stop his invation and have the us intelaginst comunity pull up more information. the bill atherising bush to go to war in iraq was athrised only if thare was clear infromation that thare was a hi chase of WMD the un report stated that the infarmation that the bush adminastration put out was not a slam dunk and need to be rechecked.
The only reason that their was a weapons inspection to begin with is because everyone thought they had them. And it doesn't help matters that the inspection was headed by HANS BLIX, the same guy who missed the Iraqi WMDs (that we later found out WERE there) in the first inspection!
Advice for the politically retarded: Just bacause you can't see it, doesn't mean that its not there.
5)well the problom is meny have joned the insergisy be cuss thay feel hopless and thay are hoping the insergisy can make sher thay have a job in the fucher.
Bullshit. They're joining the insurgency because they hate America. If they wanted a good job, they'd support the government!
You're trying to make the terrorists sound like human biengs- stop, because they ARNT. These are the same terrorists who flew planes into the twin towers- CIVILIAN BUILDINGS, no less, and took 2000+ lives in the attack, many of them woman and children! Also, no human bieng worth feeling for BLOWS HIMSELF UP in front of schools or in weddings or in a marketplace!
6) well all so the far and blinsted meda shares the same feer.
Only because terrorists seem to enjoy abducting them and brutally beheading them- more proof of my assertion that the terrorists arn't human biengs worth sympathizing!
7) but some risk should not be takin.
Thats true. But in this case, taking a risk FREED 25 MILLION PEOPLE BRUTALLY OPRESSED BY SADDAM'S REGIME! Or have you forgotten that?
8) get rid of taxcuts and get rid of alot of pork chage the way we do bisnes in gonral.
Yea, like how Halliburton got rich on Iraq? If you call a 0.02% profit "rich", that is...
9) not only that we cant hear the conser of the insergisy eny more so it makes it hard to know if we are doing the right things diplamticly.
If we can't hear them, that means they're weak, which means that we are WINNING. Also, you may have heard this phrase before: "WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS"
10) i dont agree tarist and uther pepal how can and mite grab power in the fucher could be evin wers for iraq and the USA/isreal.
Unless the terrorists can do something to Isreal that the COMBINED FORCES OF EGYPT, JORDAN, AND SYRIA CAN'T, I don't think Isreal is in much trouble. Or have you forgotten about the six-day war too? The Arab world hasn't.
11) i have seen tham get more dedly. its inposbule to say thay have ben witaled down sisn no one has eny idea how meny thare are.
More deadly? Tell me, ewm, just what are you smoking? Even if you watch the LIBERAL MEDIA, which I'm sure you do, that THE DEATH TOLL HAS GONE DOWN. It would take someone blind, deaf, and with his fingers cut off not to notice that!
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1) thats true.
Glad you admit it.
2) maby thare are alot of atonimes regons and womans rights and meny laws that we conserter vital we had to do away with to make sher we evin had a goverment.
Would you care to elaborate? Either that or spell check reeeeaaal hard on this one. Also, specify who government your talking about.
3) thay quited down dering the election now thay have resommed thare normal levals.
Its also interesting to note that the "normal levels" seem to be getting lower and lower.
4) i think you meen thay have a chase ot have a atomais kerdish state in the fucher posabule.
Nice try, but twisting my words isn't gonna work this time. No, I mean't that they have a chance to rebuild after the brutal oppresion they suffered at Saddam's hand. If they wan't to declare independance, thats their buisness, not that of the US.
5) i am not convisted.
I didn't expect you would be, but that doesn't make it any less true.
6) its ben about the same the last coppal of day thare was a slite drop thare wher 2 deths two day.
It goes with the diminishing terrorist activity- the smaller the conflict, the fewer the casualties.
7) thats a cleer pluse
See 1)
8) that can be debated. when we trised to inpose free rhites for wwoman we fownd alot of ded woman flowing down the river in the cinter of bagdad and we have ben cuting back womans rights ever sens to try to rech compermizes over the goverment.
That discrimination which they continue to face is because of their religeous beliefs, and I'm in no position to debate that since I'm not a muslim. My point is, they are no longer oppressed because of Saddam.
9) thats true. but if the soonis **** of the sheites anuff we mite have ethic clinssing.
Not likely. The US will never stand for that, and I don't think the Shiites will risk doing something THAT stupid.
10) the ones left alive.
If they arn't alive, whos fault is that? Saddam's!
11) that depinds on if we can get a goverment to gether and keep it.
Thinks are going fine so far. Of course, you watch CNN, so you might not think so. I watch CNN to. I know how they spin the war. And thats what it is, spinning.
12) thats true.
Once more, see #1
13) yep thats true.
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14) thats be cuss of the strong opasinson and chging tactics to the war, not becuss of progress.
Au contraire, ewm. I'm sure the anti-war movement would love to give themselves a pat on the back, but the truth remains that politics have nothing to do with it. You see, the sad truth (for liberals anyway) is that were winning the war.
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The fact remains that if we didn't invade Iraq, they would have gotten WMDs by now, assuming they didn't have any already.
No sane human bieng can believe that Saddam didn't want to get WMDs.
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On the CNN link:
Bullshit.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Publ...03/378fmxyz.asp
Oh, and I found a quote which I think perfectly describes the UN:
"The UN has become nothing more than a corrupt debating society where dictators and tyrants can strut the world stage as if they were important."
posted on January 23rd, 2006, 2:57 am
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1) i dont know anuff about it to post. we consintrate way tomuch on the millatry thise days and not a nuff on soshal ishowes in my opinon.
2) thats not what i was refering to i was refring to the posabillty of an insergisy or uther kinds of probloms that mite come up like looting and lack of law inforsment.
3) why use tham if you think thay have tham. the job of a wepinds inspecter is NOT to conferm what you all redy know thare jobe is to hunt the truth.
5) well if the pepal how wher making the goverment says you can not be part of it why whood thay think uther wise. most pepal dont have the abilty to the biger picher thay only see whayts right in front of tham.
6) yes thare are a few batlisons are what ever thay call tham but only one that meets us milatry standers for hevry combat with out us suport.
7) why iraq why not africa that needs ower help much more whats so speshal about iraq?
well haliberton got no bid contracts in iraq wile under investigation from the US goverments with under the law says you can not be eligabule for a contrat.
9) no its be cuss the risk to jerlaists safty is to hi. meny jerlasits have ben killed or ubduted.
10) no leder in its right mind whould help isreal thay all hate isreal or thare contry is made up of pepal how hates isreal.
11) yes thare are less tarists but biger bomns. you cood see it as we are baraking th back of the insergist but more realsitkly its be cuss thay need less pepal to loch biger attacks.
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1) thare are a few things we agree on lol
2) the goverment is about as far from a democraisy as a democirsy can get and still be called a democrisy.
3) i have not notested that. i just see the attcats moving to tagit iraqys: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq At Least 23 Iraqis Die in Weekend Attacks
4) i am alital confews can not respond.
5) bush clams thay are crumbaling. the news says thay are not. bush liyed about a slam dunk, he duss not have credbiltiy in my eyes trust is erned not givein.
6) 25 died in attacts over the wekand..
7) i see 1 i dont understand what you wont me to understand by looking at 1...
i will give you thiss thay do have reprsintation in the goverment.
9) if it hapinds thare is lital the USA or eny one elss will be abule to do about it. if it was to hapin that would be GAME OVER.
10) yep Saddam's.
11) well i have 3 options ether i lison to the presdent how has ben lieing twisting facts is geting more and more insared in the abernoff scandal or i lison to fox news thats cleerly one sided and bisted tored one side or i was what thay both hate can call the libral meda wich seems to agree with uther contresys medas wich meens thay are reporing some thing right.
12) agin not inpresed by the nuber 1 and very confused
13) final agreement!!!!
14) well thats what pepal in the white house are saying.
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i dont wont my goverment gunn on feer. i wont tham run of facts.
thats true.
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just like you whood not exspet the new clip i posted from Frunt line i can not exect this as fare and balinsed with to big banners like this:


showing the paper leens tord one side.
you are the ferst one i have head say that...
2) thats not what i was refering to i was refring to the posabillty of an insergisy or uther kinds of probloms that mite come up like looting and lack of law inforsment.
3) why use tham if you think thay have tham. the job of a wepinds inspecter is NOT to conferm what you all redy know thare jobe is to hunt the truth.
5) well if the pepal how wher making the goverment says you can not be part of it why whood thay think uther wise. most pepal dont have the abilty to the biger picher thay only see whayts right in front of tham.
6) yes thare are a few batlisons are what ever thay call tham but only one that meets us milatry standers for hevry combat with out us suport.
7) why iraq why not africa that needs ower help much more whats so speshal about iraq?

9) no its be cuss the risk to jerlaists safty is to hi. meny jerlasits have ben killed or ubduted.
10) no leder in its right mind whould help isreal thay all hate isreal or thare contry is made up of pepal how hates isreal.
11) yes thare are less tarists but biger bomns. you cood see it as we are baraking th back of the insergist but more realsitkly its be cuss thay need less pepal to loch biger attacks.
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1) thare are a few things we agree on lol

2) the goverment is about as far from a democraisy as a democirsy can get and still be called a democrisy.
3) i have not notested that. i just see the attcats moving to tagit iraqys: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq At Least 23 Iraqis Die in Weekend Attacks
4) i am alital confews can not respond.
5) bush clams thay are crumbaling. the news says thay are not. bush liyed about a slam dunk, he duss not have credbiltiy in my eyes trust is erned not givein.
6) 25 died in attacts over the wekand..
7) i see 1 i dont understand what you wont me to understand by looking at 1...

9) if it hapinds thare is lital the USA or eny one elss will be abule to do about it. if it was to hapin that would be GAME OVER.
10) yep Saddam's.
11) well i have 3 options ether i lison to the presdent how has ben lieing twisting facts is geting more and more insared in the abernoff scandal or i lison to fox news thats cleerly one sided and bisted tored one side or i was what thay both hate can call the libral meda wich seems to agree with uther contresys medas wich meens thay are reporing some thing right.
12) agin not inpresed by the nuber 1 and very confused
13) final agreement!!!!
14) well thats what pepal in the white house are saying.
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i dont wont my goverment gunn on feer. i wont tham run of facts.
thats true.
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just like you whood not exspet the new clip i posted from Frunt line i can not exect this as fare and balinsed with to big banners like this:


showing the paper leens tord one side.
you are the ferst one i have head say that...
posted on January 23rd, 2006, 6:53 am
ewm. i'm what conservative republicans call a godless liberal.
meaning i'm agnostic leaning towards atheist. i hate republican politicians (i have a few friends who are republican, i don't hold it against them) and i think all organized religion is insane, christianity included. and i prefer democratic policies, and dislike most republican ones.
now, i think bush is a lying fraud. and i think he had us go into iraq for the wrong reasons (oil and money, he didn't even care if WMDs were there or not IMHO). but i do believe that it was necessary to invade iraq, even at that time. i don't believe any media organization; mainly because they are all compromised one way or another, and i don't know the bodycount on either side. but saddam had to be stopped, personally i think he should have been stopped during his rise to power, but at that time he was working with us (the united states). so, like we couldn’t have stopped him then.
i think the war needed to happen, and should continue on its course, and should not be prematurely cut short. Such an act would be criminal on our part.
meaning i'm agnostic leaning towards atheist. i hate republican politicians (i have a few friends who are republican, i don't hold it against them) and i think all organized religion is insane, christianity included. and i prefer democratic policies, and dislike most republican ones.
now, i think bush is a lying fraud. and i think he had us go into iraq for the wrong reasons (oil and money, he didn't even care if WMDs were there or not IMHO). but i do believe that it was necessary to invade iraq, even at that time. i don't believe any media organization; mainly because they are all compromised one way or another, and i don't know the bodycount on either side. but saddam had to be stopped, personally i think he should have been stopped during his rise to power, but at that time he was working with us (the united states). so, like we couldn’t have stopped him then.
i think the war needed to happen, and should continue on its course, and should not be prematurely cut short. Such an act would be criminal on our part.
posted on January 23rd, 2006, 12:50 pm
ohhh this is fun, should we now talk about WW1 and all the faulty mistakes the germans and other allies made? Why do you want to start flaming about something that is done. you can't turn back the time. tthey made a choice and stood by it even in somones eyes it isn't the best. we can go on and on and still won't get further.
it's like old people talking about how crap it is now and have ideas on how it should be when they where young
it's like old people talking about how crap it is now and have ideas on how it should be when they where young
posted on January 23rd, 2006, 1:28 pm
hear hear!!
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