lol new york

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:10 pm

troi is pretty bad too.

i never got why janeway needed to land the ship in timeless. surely if they just floated through space they would be fine. travelling fast doesnt make a difference in a vacuum. they could have just coasted while they do repairs. but for some reason they tried to enter an atmosphere, which surely puts more strain on a ship that the vacuum of space.

and troi, she crashed into a planet, why not aim for empty space again?

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:23 pm

According to Memory Alpha, Tuvok states that there are extensive hull breaches and that if they do not land immediately then Voyager will be destroyed...so I guess it was one bad option with destruction assured against another bad option with destruction ALMOST assured....

[Tok`ra]

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:57 pm

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Look what happend when then let Troi drive.


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According to Memory Alpha, Tuvok states that there are extensive hull breaches and that if they do not land immediately then Voyager will be destroyed...so I guess it was one bad option with destruction assured against another bad option with destruction ALMOST assured....

I've not seen that episode in a while (since it first aired most likely) so my memory is a tad spotty........

But hull breach just is a hole in the ship. Those can be easily contained.

If there was some engine damage... escape pods. Shuttle craft. Dump the warp core and if needed, the antimater pods too, and sit in space and make repairs.

Or was it that they simply didnt have the power to break out of orbit ? If I recall correctly, that was what caused the Ent-D saucer to crash, didnt they loose impulse power when the stardrive section exploded ? (however that raises the question of why cant they use the RCS to stay in orbit, even if only long enough to carefully launch all shuttlecraft and escape pods in a calm manner.)

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:11 pm

Heh, every time Troi goes near the control the ship crashes...I hope Titan fares better...

Regarding Timeless, I haven't seen the ep in a while either, I was just going by what MA said...according to Tuvok, the ship would have been destroyed due to extensive hull breaches if they didn't land...apparently the intertial dampeners were offline as well, which is never good in a starship travelling at substantial speeds....

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:17 pm

Lack of inertial dampeners only matters if sudden changes in velocity and what not are made.

crash landing a ship always means damage.


Sounds to me like another of those 'how did we let these idiots write for us' episodes of Voyager.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:50 pm

Lack of inertial dampeners only matters if sudden changes in velocity and what not are made.

indeed, travelling fast doesnt matter in space.

accelerating does matter. but if the ship isnt using its engines then that isnt gonna happen.

all voyager had to do was put up emergency forcefields or bulkheads or something to keep the air in.

in generations the saucer was clearly pushed by the shockwave from the stardrive exploding too early. so if troi had been pointing the ship away from the planet, they would have been pushed away from the planet.

posted on December 31st, 2010, 12:48 am

Ferrari in NYC is like breast implants on a zombie, may look ok, but is of absolutely no use.

And yet all in the news is complaints about the snails pace at which it is being dealt with. Normaly they get plowed yeah, but it seems this time they're not.



Exactly. No need to lock the wheels even, just use the joint in the middle of it and the bucket to inch it sideways, then roll foward.

Again, I ask have you ever operated a front loader?  If you haven't, you can't comment.  And the news is only negative.  They thrive on negativity.  Its very rare something positive is being reported.  Part of the problem with the snow removal is all the one way arterial roads with cars parked in on both sides.  You can't have it both ways.  You either want your road plowed and your car might get plowed in and you unshovel it.  OR it just goes unplowed.  And because now with all these videos people are talking law suits, they're just not taking the risk. 

And if some dude is taking a nap in the snow plow, how long are these shifts?  I know the people in my county were pulling 16 hour shifts.  So a nap would be almost mandatory for safety concerns imo. 

This all goes back to my original post in this thread.  If none of us are there, operating, working behind the scenes, etc., we can't comment on the efficiency of the operation, or intelligence of the driver(s).   

[Tok`ra]

posted on December 31st, 2010, 1:15 am

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Part of the problem with the snow removal is all the one way arterial roads with cars parked in on both sides.  You can't have it both ways.  You either want your road plowed and your car might get plowed in and you unshovel it.  OR it just goes unplowed.  And because now with all these videos people are talking law suits, they're just not taking the risk. 

And if some dude is taking a nap in the snow plow, how long are these shifts?  I know the people in my county were pulling 16 hour shifts.  So a nap would be almost mandatory for safety concerns imo. 

I suggest you actually read the links provided before crying about them.

The youtube vid, from what I can gather it wasnt an arterial road, plus parallel parking is the norm in NYC from what I understand, the workers dig out the road, your car/parkingspace is your own buisness.

The cars in the video were not abandoend in the road, they were legally parked infront of an apartment building.

The article in question ( Sanitation workers selfishly slowed down the cleanup - NYPOST.com ) states that the unions purposely delayed the cleanup as 'payback' for layoffs due to budget cuts.

And other links to other sources on it.

NYC mayor to probe claims that workers delayed snow cleanup - CNN.com
Union Workers Reportedly Staged Slowdown as New York City Battled Blizzard - FoxNews.com

So yeah, the folks in your county it sounds like did a good job since you're happy with them.

The folks in NYC however it seems did a horrendous job, possibly on purpose.

This all goes back to my original post in this thread.  If none of us are there, operating, working behind the scenes, etc., we can't comment on the efficiency of the operation, or intelligence of the driver(s).   

So we cant complain about politicians because we're not there ?

QUICK! Someone tell Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush........ well you get the picture.... to tell their detractors to be quiet because they're not there!

posted on December 31st, 2010, 3:26 am

I suggest you actually read the links provided before crying about them.

The youtube vid, from what I can gather it wasnt an arterial road, plus parallel parking is the norm in NYC from what I understand, the workers dig out the road, your car/parkingspace is your own buisness.

The cars in the video were not abandoend in the road, they were legally parked infront of an apartment building.

The article in question ( Sanitation workers selfishly slowed down the cleanup - NYPOST.com ) states that the unions purposely delayed the cleanup as 'payback' for layoffs due to budget cuts.

And other links to other sources on it.

NYC mayor to probe claims that workers delayed snow cleanup - CNN.com
Union Workers Reportedly Staged Slowdown as New York City Battled Blizzard - FoxNews.com

So yeah, the folks in your county it sounds like did a good job since you're happy with them.

The folks in NYC however it seems did a horrendous job, possibly on purpose.


So we cant complain about politicians because we're not there ?

QUICK! Someone tell Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush........ well you get the picture.... to tell their detractors to be quiet because they're not there!

I read the links and watched the videos and have been watching the news for the last two weeks because I've been on vacation.  You know what they say when you assume something right?

I am arguing that snow removal is a hard business, slow or fast.

As to the cars parking status, I don't believe I made mention of it, because I don't know the laws of the streets in NYC.  If I did, then you are right on that point and I am wrong.

The beef isn't with the politicians.  Its with the people calling the workers stupid and saying he or she should have done this or that.  If you have no experience in something, you really shouldn't comment.  You can judge all you like, but until you experience that thing that person has done or is doing, your comments are empty. 

I tend to play devil's advocate, because too many side with the all knowing masses rather than thinking for themselves. 

posted on December 31st, 2010, 4:00 am

I've no first hand experince (as stated in an earlier post, unless it was the one the otehr day that got ate by a power outage, I cant recall and dont feel like re-reading the thread) I've not driven them but I've seen them in use before.

using the joint in the center, and lowering the bucket to the ground, then using it to lift the front end off the ground, the loader can slide sideways.

posted on December 31st, 2010, 8:05 am

I have friends in the excavating business he could have got it out without hitting the car. Besides thats not the my point he didnt even try to find another solution besides running it into the car.

posted on December 31st, 2010, 7:02 pm

I really don't care if the cars should have been there or not. I've spoken with a couple of people who agree that the loader could have been removed without damaging the parked vehicles; then again, anyone with a little bit of common sense should be able to discern the same. Personally, I'm disgusted that the drivers showed such apathy and recklessness. The links Tok'ra posted above only lend credence to the possibility that the actions were malicious.

posted on December 31st, 2010, 8:16 pm

Exactly, several aspects of NYC, all under the same union, had failures to act resulting in issues that (from the news, and talking to NYC folks I know online) seem to indicate a massive failure to act, be it the subways not bothering to do the steps to keep the trains running to the streets not being kept as clear as possible.

One group that really deserves props would be the EMTs however, Ive seen clips on the news of them wading thru snow drifts to get to people as fast as possible.

posted on January 3rd, 2011, 5:50 am

Sanitation supervisors spent day drinking in their car, witnesses say - NYPOST.com

lol moars happend