is the golden age of space sci-fi coming to an end ?

posted on January 28th, 2011, 3:51 am

And a lot better than Alien Nation, which it did not rip off (the story came from the short film Live in Joburg, which was basically a story about apartheid but with aliens.)

posted on January 28th, 2011, 2:52 pm

Cloverfield sucks, district 9 sucked and skyline sucked really badly.

District 9 could have been better but i got major head aches from that guys accent, and the poor acting from everyone else.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 3:46 pm

Think of it this way, it's like playing a game. As you play it, you learn that some enemies are more susceptible to certain weapons, or vulnerable in certain spots. Maybe the smaller bullets had a better chance of getting through gaps. As for staffs going through blast doors, they probably rebuilt the doors with something stronger. For all we know, that UAV might have been made from something stronger than plain old steel or aluminum.

you sound like you are apologising for them lol. why would their armour be resistant to a high power rifle round, but not to a lower power SMG round? whats even worse is that a tommy gun (time travel was involved) could slaughter them too near the end lol. also about staffs, they went through blast doors at the start, they werent used on blast doors later. but they were used on other things and seemed to do far less damage. a uav cant be made of anything heavy or it wouldnt fly lol.

Why would there be conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet, it's not even a case of civilian vs. military. A lot of Maquis are EX-Starfleet who either got discharged for something or disapproved of the Federation's attitude towards those worlds that got caught in the treaty with the Cardassians. Their beef is really with the Federation, not the Voyager crew; there was no reason they couldn't all get along and work as one crew.

you gotta be kidding right? starfleet hunts maquis as terrorists, as criminals. voyager was hunting them and tuvok was a traitor. they went from being their own bosses to having to wear janeway's uniforms and follow her orders and bring her coffee to appease her; most maquis were assigned low ranks. thats gotta create some tension. its perfectly believable that the two crews wouldnt get along at first.

As for repairs, between a fairly large supply of replacement parts and the replicators, there's no reason that the ship couldn't be fixed.

not everything can be replicated. the quick and complete repairs are completely ridiculous. like the rarity of deuterium. if ship parts were that common and easy to replicate then ships would be dirt cheap and repair docks would be needed a lot less. nothing ever stayed broke on voyager cos they couldnt afford new vfx, they had to keep things consistent with the reused shots.

dont get me wrong, i liked voyager, just it had some serious issues.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 4:33 pm

you gotta be kidding right? starfleet hunts maquis as terrorists, as criminals. voyager was hunting them and tuvok was a traitor. they went from being their own bosses to having to wear janeway's uniforms and follow her orders and bring her coffee to appease her; most maquis were assigned low ranks. thats gotta create some tension. its perfectly believable that the two crews wouldnt get along at first.

not everything can be replicated. the quick and complete repairs are completely ridiculous. like the rarity of deuterium. if ship parts were that common and easy to replicate then ships would be dirt cheap and repair docks would be needed a lot less. nothing ever stayed broke on voyager cos they couldnt afford new vfx, they had to keep things consistent with the reused shots.

Tuvok was a spy not a traitor. And Starfleet was only hunting the Maquis because they were told to. No one ever said they liked hunting them. While it's true that there might have been some conflicts, the Maquis trusted Chakotay, and if he was willing to work with Starfleet rather than against, the Maquis will follow his judgement and try to do the same. And if you read the Memory Alpha article on the Maquis, you'll see, it was not all smooth sailing, but Chakotay worked hard to calm the waters and prevent discord.

While not everything can be replicated, certainly 70-80% of parts can be; they probably also repaired the damaged parts rather than make new ones every time. They probably also recycled parts using the replicator and "reformed" them if you will.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 4:40 pm

not everything can be replicated. the quick and complete repairs are completely ridiculous. like the rarity of deuterium. if ship parts were that common and easy to replicate then ships would be dirt cheap and repair docks would be needed a lot less. nothing ever stayed broke on voyager cos they couldnt afford new vfx, they had to keep things consistent with the reused shots.

Janeway actually secretly conquered the Kazon shortly after arriving in the Delta Quadrant, and they were sneaking supplies to her with each 'raid' in order to keep from being eaten in a coffee-deprived rage. Voyager's crew worked overtime getting the ship shiny after each episode, and never questioned where the parts were coming from, also to avoid being eaten in a coffee-deprived rage.

The whole 'Seska' thing was actually just a coverup to keep suspicion off Janeway, and the whole 'Kazon-capture-the-ship' thing in 'Basics' was just a set-up to allow the Kazon to really resupply the ship since they were leaving Kazon space and they didn't want Janeway to eat them before she left...

You may dismiss this, but the more you think about it, the more it will make sense to you....it also explains Neelix's awful cooking: they're simply Janeway's leftovers 

posted on January 28th, 2011, 5:04 pm

Tuvok was a spy not a traitor

to the maquis he was both. he betrayed them. that was his job and what he did was right, but the maquis would definitely not see it that way

And Starfleet was only hunting the Maquis because they were told to. No one ever said they liked hunting them. While it's true that there might have been some conflicts, the Maquis trusted Chakotay, and if he was willing to work with Starfleet rather than against, the Maquis will follow his judgement and try to do the same.

regardless of whether they liked hunting them they were. they were enmies. the maquis were joining a new ship and were becoming low ranking workers on janeway's ship. they now have to get used to orders and red tape and stuff. chakotay was not believable either, he just flip flopped and became janeway's bitch lol. there was no tension at all. it was all completely sugar coated.

And if you read the Memory Alpha article on the Maquis, you'll see, it was not all smooth sailing, but Chakotay worked hard to calm the waters and prevent discord.

or even better, remember voyager cos ive seen each episode at least 5 times, there was practically no conflict. the only real conflict was a half klingon punching an annoying guy and a few crew members having to learn to run around the ship. then everything was peachy and they all lived happily ever after

a real mutiny would have been extreme, maybe a minor one where some of chakotay's men ignored him and did it, and chakotay was in the middle having to deal with both sides. but it would have been believable. after that they should slowly start to trust eachother more and after a season or three they would have a working crew with less conflict. still occasionally a couple of more angry maquis could start a minor shouting match and be dealt with. maybe some maquis would sit at their own table in the mess hall to defend them from neelix's food.

While not everything can be replicated, certainly 70-80% of parts can be; they probably also repaired the damaged parts rather than make new ones every time. They probably also recycled parts using the replicator and "reformed" them if you will.

best not to mention numbers, as none of them can be proved i prefer to believe repairs arent that easy and that voyager was hitting the reset button every week.

@gig: lol that certainly does explain it, and it made my day thanks

posted on January 28th, 2011, 5:10 pm

Why would there be conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet, it's not even a case of civilian vs. military. A lot of Maquis are EX-Starfleet who either got discharged for something or disapproved of the Federation's attitude towards those worlds that got caught in the treaty with the Cardassians. Their beef is really with the Federation, not the Voyager crew; there was no reason they couldn't all get along and work as one crew. As for repairs, between a fairly large supply of replacement parts and the replicators, there's no reason that the ship couldn't be fixed.

And for the record, I thought Voyager was the best of the series, with DS9 a close second.

You sir, I heartily disagree with.

Completely with myles on this; Voyager was nice, good. Sometimes had some warm stories to tell, actually. But plot holes and consistency f*cks ftw. I especially hate what they did to the borg. Though I somehow keep reasoning that it was all done because Voyager had to prevail in the end; Voyager was and her crew were written to be ridiculously overpowered, and sometimes her enemies just received a downgrade to the same effect.

I remember those episodes with voyager taking on multiple cubes for like 5-6 minutes, with their shields holding. And I was like BUT 1 SINGLE CUBE SLAUGHTERED 39 STARSHIPS HOW COULD THEY EVEN SURVIVE MORE THAN 1 HIT

ive always had this idea with me that voyager would have been able to beat those 15 cubes in Scorpion.

´J: Evasive manoeuvers Mr. Paris!
T: Shields are at 11 percent.
J: Options!
K: If we could reinvert our plasma coil gell pack manifest inverters to maintain antimatter energy, we míght just be able to destroy 15 cubes using the phasers, captain!
J: Do it. I dont like mass murdering anyone, but it seems we dont have a choice here
C: Firing phasers!
T: The cubes have been destroyed.
J:  We barely made it out of that one..Good work Mr. Kim.'




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posted on January 28th, 2011, 5:12 pm

they could have beaten the 47 cubes in endgame similarly. just it would have taken even more deus ex machina.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 5:15 pm

Indeed. And you just know that wouldnt have been a problem for the writers 

posted on January 28th, 2011, 7:12 pm

i think it goes in waves.  i actually enjoyed the first 2 seasons of BSG but then it got silly.  voyager i watched but hated and as far as repairs go there were episodes in next generation and DS9 where the enterprise and defiant were out of commission for repairs so clearly there was a Q masquerading as one of the crewmembers helping them along.  i also agree that they nerfed the borg to being a mere annoyance which was just stupid.

i liked SG1 and to a lesser extent atlantis but those were more parody shows.  i could never take them for anything more than a sci-fi comedy.  DS9 and the later seasons of next gen were about as good as it gets because they werent filled with angst ridden teenagers with hormonal issues every episode and people werent zipping out cute one liners every 5 seconds.

the star wars live action show is dead from the get go.  if lucas is writing and directing the first season.......its not going to make it to season 2.  there is a reason why empire strikes back is considered by most to be the best of the series........its because it was directed by someone else.

as long as they keep coming out with good sci fi games like mass effect, fallout new vegas (patched) that game coming up with the illuminati and templars (blanking on the name of it)  deus ex Human Resources etc. ill be happy.  let the genre get a cool down period and then a reboot in a few years.

we dont want alot of sci fi cause you run the risk of over saturation and there is a reason you dont see westerns anymore........cause thats all that used to be on TV way back in the early days of television in the 80s or was it the 30s...........eh same difference.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 7:43 pm

How come in 7 years voyager never ran out of photon torps? you cant just replicate them.

DS9 was the best out of the startrek series i think, it showed the most ship types out of all of the other startreks combined and the bestlarge scale battles, only thing it lacked was borg battles they would have been cool.

Voyager just had dumb aliens like the kazon which really annoyed me they were so boring and uninteresting, it wasnt terrible its third in my list but i liked DS9 and Enterprise more.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 7:52 pm

How come in 7 years voyager never ran out of photon torps? you cant just replicate them.

indeed, tuvok explicitly stated we only got 38 and cant make more. but they use so many. maybe they bought the antimatter needed from other species replicated the metal case and built them.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 8:34 pm

You're all wrong.  They got the extra antimatter they needed from Neelix's cooking.

Or they just fired leftovers at the enemy.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 8:46 pm

Or they just fired leftovers at the enemy.

even janeway cant get away with that, she violates the prime directive twice per episode and gets off, but she would face mutiny for war crimes that awful.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 8:49 pm

indeed, tuvok explicitly stated we only got 38 and cant make more. but they use so many. maybe they bought the antimatter needed from other species replicated the metal case and built them.

Yeah i always wondered where they were pulling them out of, but there are limits to what the replicator can do, i heard that somewhere in the show, even industrial replicators couldnt replicate every component of a photon torp, i know nothing of the internal components of a torp but im sure it needs more than anti-matter and a case. Reverse the polarity damit lol