is the golden age of space sci-fi coming to an end ?

posted on January 27th, 2011, 10:58 pm

Voyager didn't alway piss-off a new race with a name starting with T, they did have some recurring villains. They just all sucked.

posted on January 27th, 2011, 11:02 pm

Voyager didn't alway piss-off a new race with a name starting with T, they did have some recurring villains. They just all sucked.

ok sometimes it was V, but the point stands

im glad they abadonned the kazon before they got even more annoying. the borg are just too awesome to ignore. they just got villain decayed hard. feds are op lol

posted on January 27th, 2011, 11:08 pm

i liked sgu, in many ways its what voyager promised to be but wasnt. everyone was like starfleet and maquis crews might have some conflict and the ship wont have a starbase/yard to run back to and repair before the next episode. and episodes will arc into eachother. but there was no conflict after the first few eps and all damage was fixed with the big reset button after each episode and there were only 2 parters. ds9 had more arcs lol.

i like the fact that some people on sgu are bad, people in real life are arseholes sometimes. cant all be good guys.

people having affairs? that happens all the time in real life.

people being annoying? im annoying myself lol

people being plain machiavellian? there are people like that.

i also like the fact that they cant fix the ship after each ep. things actually stay broken, the hull stays breached.

how do u figure that? if they could get someone in via the stones to fix the ships batteries they could recharge from a star to the levels needed for dialling nine chevrons.

or they could figure a way to safely take energy directly from a star to the gate, maybe build some new rudimentary power conduits to go alongside the normal ones to prevent overload.

or they could join up with the seed ship and use its power. the ursini currently control it, but they could take it from them.

or they could find a power source out there. i mean they are travelling through several galaxies.

the civilian vs military thing was believable, rush and wray are dominant people used to getting their own way. wray had power before and now she doesnt. its good to see some conflict among good guys as conflict is common in real life. the wounds of the failed mutiny are still not fully healed and probably never will be, in the mess they still sit apart mostly.

its hard to have a recurring enemy when u go from galaxy to galaxy so often.

also why would you want one? they already did 2 shows with recurring villains. many sci fis have done recurring villains. its an old story technique. i find it boring. there are plenty of aliens out there. voyager took it too far with random surly aliens of the week though. every week they pissed off a new species beginning with the letter T.

recurring villains have several downsides apart from being clichéd. they usually suffer from villain decay. look how the goauld suffered, at first a team of redshirts firing a powerful assault rifle (m16s) in the pilot could only down 1 jaffa, and jaffa armour was bullet proof. then a submachine gun like the mp5 could do it, then late in the series a simple 9mm pistol could down a jaffa in 1 hit through their armour. the staff weapon at first blew redshirts backwards with massive holes in their torso and cut through BLAST DOORS, just like C4 explosive. then later a metal part from a UAV (an aircraft, needs to be light to fly) could block staff blasts completely. hataks had weapons capable of reaching down to the SGC with several megaton blasts, later it takes an entire fleet several days to destroy earth with peashooter ship mounted staff cannons. the wraith suffered it too, they started off nearly invulnerable, entire magazines were required to down a warrior, later they got mowed down by the hive load like redshirts.

i dont want a recurring villain in sgu. variety is nice.

Because stargate universe needed 1, other than a bible bashing mission to find god in space there was no reason left to watch it, every epsiode i was thinking hmm i wonder when this will get interesting. and that woman with huge tits lieutenant something, the one with a fine ass to go with them, they never included her much either... you cant leave out the hottest female in the series and expect the series to be successful.

By the end of the show i didnt care who lived or died i just thought i hope that f**king ship explodes or something, it was getting repetative and i hated my self for wasting time watching it but i wanted it to be something it wasnt.

They should have made reccuring attacks by the aliens that attacked them to begin with, at least then i could say i watched it for the space battles.

posted on January 27th, 2011, 11:22 pm

I think the problem with Sci Fi (at least from my point of view) is the extremely massive lack of true "alien" aliens. In every sci fi I can think of 99% of the extra terrestrials are either human look alikes (with slight variations, the most extreme being reptile scales or something) or stereotypical hive insects.

posted on January 27th, 2011, 11:33 pm

i liked sgu, in many ways its what voyager promised to be but wasnt. everyone was like starfleet and maquis crews might have some conflict and the ship wont have a starbase/yard to run back to and repair before the next episode. and episodes will arc into eachother. but there was no conflict after the first few eps and all damage was fixed with the big reset button after each episode and there were only 2 parters. ds9 had more arcs lol.

I personally liked Voyager, it was able to add normal star trek stuff while still adding a decent plot. And oh well the borg got nerfed, so the borg in Voyager were a lot scarier then in TNG, the evil queen and stuff scary.

posted on January 27th, 2011, 11:50 pm

Because stargate universe needed 1

how so? i dont think a recurring villain would have been believable, nor would it have improved sgu.

and that woman with huge tits lieutenant something, the one with a fine ass to go with them, they never included her much either... you cant leave out the hottest female in the series and expect the series to be successful.

i bet you liked 7 of 69. if what u value most in television is to watch hot women, then i doubt sgu would ever be to your liking. there are plenty of other shows that cater in varying levels to your demographic, from mild saucy stuff, to hardcore pornography. i dont think sgu should be very high on that scale. and i think you shouldnt criticise sgu for not being that. as it wasnt trying to.

They should have made reccuring attacks by the aliens that attacked them to begin with, at least then i could say i watched it for the space battles.

i think that was a problem with sci fi channel's scheduling. the series was very arc driven, each ep leading into the next. and the first half of the 1st season was build up and character development, so that they had a robust cast ready for the space battles. problem is that sci fi (or syfy or whatever) in their infinite stupidy split it right at that point, putting a gaping hole of multiple months. all the tension builds up slowly, perhaps slightly too slowly and then they are like: HAHA wait loads of months now. and many people didnt want to wait that long, and casual viewers would not want to start watching again or would forget. it totally gutted the arc of the first series, it wasnt meant to be 2 half series, atlantis could have done that cos the episodes could be shown (mostly) in any random order, but not sgu. all the space battles came in the second half of the series, which was supposed to follow on from the first. so that there was buildup, then climax. syfy made it buildup HUGE IMMEDIATE GAP, then climax, but climax cant come months after buildup.

I personally liked Voyager, it was able to add normal star trek stuff while still adding a decent plot. And oh well the borg got nerfed, so the borg in Voyager were a lot scarier then in TNG, the evil queen and stuff scary.

i liked voyager too, it was my first star trek as a kid. but it had many issues. im a pendantic and overly critical guy, but you could fit a galaxy class starship through those plot holes.

the queen was laughable in voyager, a silly concept really. her role was never really explained well. sometimes the collective is seen to be a giant mind, sometimes she is separate and controls it. like when the collective wants to eat voyager and she tells them not to. with her spoken voice instead of mental link.

i dont watch reruns of voyager any more, perhaps cos ive seen every episode at least 5 times, perhaps cos it annoys my family when i point out every single inconsistency until they throw the remote control at me. perhaps cos i just dont wanna any more, but it will always hold a special place in my heart.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 12:01 am

Not at all the world of space is not strong right now but its far from over.

Theres not a story people are flocking to right now thats in space that dose not meen anything.

is  it just me or does it seem like the golden age of space sci-fi is on its last legs .....is it because its all been done ? is it because the people who grew up with star trek and star wars are growing old ?....does sci-fi just need a break from space sci-fi ?? now that stargate universe is  cancelled with only two seasons under its belt that leaves very little ...if anything left to watch. there was so many at one time Andromeda, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica both of them, Caprica, Earth: Final Conflict , Farscape and Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars, Firefly , Lexx, Star Trek: The Original Series ,Star Trek: The Next Generation ,Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: Enterprise, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis , Stargate Universe, V  and such ....so what does that leave us with ....well there is a live action star wars but other then that i cant think of anything ?

posted on January 28th, 2011, 12:02 am

Scary is not a concept I'd expected anyone to apply to Voyager Borg.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 12:12 am

Scary is not a concept I'd expected anyone to apply to Voyager Borg.

They were scary looking, but they were far more intimidating as the implacable and invincible force they were in Q Who. They didn't even want to assimilate you, they just wanted your ship and your resources.

They just turned into robot zombies in VOY.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 12:42 am

well i rationalize that it was scary because i was a kid when i started watching them and i was like holy crap holy crap they are going to zombitize me. but i did like what they did with the Q, blowing up stars thats awesome

posted on January 28th, 2011, 12:59 am

Its not coming to an end. But sometimes you do need to take a break. When you get used to something you stop appreciating it because "its all been done." That is why the Next Generation took off, it had enough time.

Also, Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome is coming out soon which should be awesome. It follows Admiral Adama as he was a pilot in the first Cylon War. Also, Edward James Olmos has already said that more Battlestar Galactica movies are coming out and we all know more Star Trek movies are coming out.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 1:09 am

Since the mid 90s most Sci-Fi has gone in the "darker" direction. By this I mean storys of war and hard times etc.... SAB and B5 both did this as well as DS9 and VOY. Then comes RNDs BSG which revitalized the darker side of storytelling in the sci-fi universe. I think people have just gotten tired of seeing current events reflected in the entertainment they watch. On the big screen however some sci-fi has been hugely sucessful in recent years such as x-men and fantastic 4 and Ironman etc...

But THEN.....

You have constant regurgitations of old ideas......

CLOVERFEILD......godzilla?
DISTRICT 9.....Alien Nation?
SKYLINE.....Independence day/War of the Worlds?


WTFFFFFF

All those movies were was a bunch of special effects ment to wow people and make them forget that there is no story !!!!

My thoughts are that yes the golden age for sci-fi has passed.....hell when the sci-fi chanell changed its name to SYFY that was kinda like the ringing of the bell signaling the end.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 1:39 am

recurring villains have several downsides apart from being clichéd. they usually suffer from villain decay. look how the goauld suffered, at first a team of redshirts firing a powerful assault rifle (m16s) in the pilot could only down 1 jaffa, and jaffa armour was bullet proof. then a submachine gun like the mp5 could do it, then late in the series a simple 9mm pistol could down a jaffa in 1 hit through their armour. the staff weapon at first blew redshirts backwards with massive holes in their torso and cut through BLAST DOORS, just like C4 explosive. then later a metal part from a UAV (an aircraft, needs to be light to fly) could block staff blasts completely. hataks had weapons capable of reaching down to the SGC with several megaton blasts, later it takes an entire fleet several days to destroy earth with peashooter ship mounted staff cannons. the wraith suffered it too, they started off nearly invulnerable, entire magazines were required to down a warrior, later they got mowed down by the hive load like redshirts.

Think of it this way, it's like playing a game. As you play it, you learn that some enemies are more susceptible to certain weapons, or vulnerable in certain spots. Maybe the smaller bullets had a better chance of getting through gaps. As for staffs going through blast doors, they probably rebuilt the doors with something stronger. For all we know, that UAV might have been made from something stronger than plain old steel or aluminum.

I liked sgu, in many ways its what voyager promised to be but wasnt. everyone was like starfleet and maquis crews might have some conflict and the ship wont have a starbase/yard to run back to and repair before the next episode. and episodes will arc into eachother. but there was no conflict after the first few eps and all damage was fixed with the big reset button after each episode and there were only 2 parters. ds9 had more arcs lol.

Why would there be conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet, it's not even a case of civilian vs. military. A lot of Maquis are EX-Starfleet who either got discharged for something or disapproved of the Federation's attitude towards those worlds that got caught in the treaty with the Cardassians. Their beef is really with the Federation, not the Voyager crew; there was no reason they couldn't all get along and work as one crew. As for repairs, between a fairly large supply of replacement parts and the replicators, there's no reason that the ship couldn't be fixed.

And for the record, I thought Voyager was the best of the series, with DS9 a close second.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 2:06 am

CLOVERFEILD......godzilla?
DISTRICT 9.....Alien Nation?
SKYLINE.....Independence day/War of the Worlds?

Heyy!    I liked Cloverfield.

posted on January 28th, 2011, 2:40 am

ok District 9 was really good