Columbia vs Chavez

posted on April 21st, 2008, 9:37 pm

Thats the comen thinking Lets look at what is cosed:

1) people dont step up people talk about probloms and think to them seves we need a leader its to risky to take on some thing that big.

2) People are being abused and nuglected. People are aware of the probloms and condme them saying if only some one whould do some thing.

Change starts with one person how can look past ther feers and make things happen and thats you, me, every one can be a leader. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation.

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Well what action is whating? what action are you taking when you are whating?

risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation. risk is a justification of sinasem and resignation.

I am not making you wrong I am just ponting out whats realy happening her its just: risk is a justification of sinasem and
resignation.

Thare are things in this world that cant get much worse this is the time and you and I and the people.

posted on April 24th, 2008, 1:03 pm

that is so oversimplified i'd laugh if it wasn't so dangerous.
Can you see all the possibilities positive & negative, from a point after success and failure?
Can you imagine the future unwinding before you in your minds eye, and the consequences there of?
I’m not willing to commit to something that could change everyone’s lives so drastically in the long-run or even in the short. Both are possible, however the former is more likely than the latter.
I can’t see such things at the moment, until I do I’ll sit back and wait, unless events force me into action more quickly than I anticipated. That’s all I’m going to say on this subject.

on a side note, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. there's a reason they say that.

posted on April 24th, 2008, 4:16 pm

I do it all the time Its not that dangers, For instants I sow the opportunity of offering what I got to other by posting her there was a risk doca cola and others may have misunderstood what I am saying and band me, people my have made fun of me, People could gang up on me but for me the pay off was worth the risk.

Yes I can see the problems that could stop me or even hurt me but for me "me" is not as important as "they" there is nothing better then to know you made a difference.

All the time I can get thew would, could be, but if I let it stop me what could be would be what could have bean.

Because you can see past your self thats what the Landmark forum helps you do, What more important "you" or 100 other people. For me the majority out ways the need of the one.

Most people sit back and wait there hole lives what for some magical change to happen. I will give you a secret sudsy after study has shown that almost away that never happens. You ether could to live on the edge or you choose to live in the easy charr. There was not question for me.

I am not relguse  Pulse the only reason there is a rode at all is because people made one. They can make a gate to to stop the traffic. Its up to you Easy charr or living on the edge?

posted on April 24th, 2008, 5:51 pm

Hmmmm... I see this taking a turn towards "A Brave New World" 

posted on April 24th, 2008, 11:02 pm

It cant be done with out the people in that world and time is runing out the probloms of this world could over come us unless we get some leaders NOW!

How is a leader: A human, With out merger mental illness Sicofena, Suver bipoler and so on.... Thats all it take!

posted on April 28th, 2008, 8:39 pm

ewm, no offense, but your "rhetoric" is starting to sound a lot like some of those cheesy peer pressure sayings from the Anti-Drug classes

posted on April 28th, 2008, 9:36 pm

Yes.... I know society looks bad Ewm, but we aren't going to collapse imediately, and I don't think people can be pressured to "become" leaders all of a sudden.  Perhaps if everyone was rather more vocal, things would get done, but I don't see that happening either because most people are apathetic... or at least think that their vote doesn't amount to much. 

posted on April 28th, 2008, 10:59 pm

No it dose not look bad or good is what it is. Define immediately? No of cores they can it must be a chose but to make that choose they need to know what the tools are to reach that leave of being.

Talk is no substitute for action. People can talk but if the people in power art lessening it will be a lot of wasted time. People how are in power are in power to get done what they wont not always what you wont.

I don't see people as apathetic at all infect most people are quite vocal and appended.

ones vote in the usa counts for one in a billion. Politics offers incremental progress with a few exceptions. The fewer leaders the fewer directions there is to go. We need more leaders in the world and by voting will not make more leaders.

posted on April 29th, 2008, 12:09 am

217.8 million people are registered to vote in the U.S. I know you were trying to state that those votes are inconsequential, but I cannot agree. A voter = a leader. That is what democracy is about; and eventually I think it will become that everyone of voting age will vote in all affairs, not just in determining presidency... but in determining the next bill for whatnot. However, that  is impeded by people's apathy. Nobody wants to take the time to vote or to voice their opinion, and that is why Bush went to war, TWICE, and why nobody calls him out on his lies and the lies of his administration, excepting a choice few.

It almost seems as if you are arguing that we need a dictatorship by saying talk is not substitute for action. After all, if we had a simple oligarchy, we would have quite a few leaders making many decisions and getting whatever the heck they want done without discussing it with everybody else. To reach a consensus is to waste time, but I believe in this "wasted time" better decisions are actually made. As is often said, democracy is the worst form of government--except for all the others.

posted on April 29th, 2008, 3:42 am

and if the rest voted do you think we would do more?

A voter is not leading any thing. A voter is just a mark on a paper.

And if this democracy there are so many people how need help and are not getting it why is that?


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t almost seems as if you are arguing that we need a dictatorship by saying talk is not substitute for action. After all, if we had a simple oligarchy, we would have quite a few leaders making many decisions and getting whatever the heck they want done without discussing it with everybody else. To reach a consensus is to waste time, but I believe in this "wasted time" better decisions are actually made. As is often said, democracy is the worst form of government--except for all the others.

A dictatorship ship WAW that came out of left field where did you get that? Because some one dose some thing that = a dictatorship? I am lost?

Yes we would have many leader making many desition and fixing problems in there communities instead of whiting and hoping them away. There is more to a country than government.

What do you think would have happened if Gondi said I will just vote the occupiers out....

posted on April 29th, 2008, 9:01 pm

I got that from this "Talk is no substitute for action. People can talk but if the people in power art lessening it will be a lot of wasted time."
I understand what you are saying Ewm (at least I think so), but if everyone WAS a leader, what exactly would that get you. My argument is that that would give you a system where everyone votes to determine everything, without actual head honchos. I'm not sure if you see my point. Gandhi could not vote the occupiers out, because there was no democracy. However, if what you are advocating turns out, can you imagine what would happen in the US? All the especially rabid evangelicists would take to the streets and rule as all... instead we have a bit of moderation as each one of them only counts as one vote. With more "true" leaders (an exagerration of what you were saying) there is the danger of representation being lost and a dictatorship being formed. I am by no means saying that your point of view is wrong, I am just suggesting that it could lead to something much worse than what is now in place.

posted on April 30th, 2008, 2:42 am

Exactly so if you wont to get your idea done be come a leader.

Leaders have to know haw to follow directions you may lead one thing wile working under another. Just because you are a leader dose not mean you have to lead all the time.

I got that you think that bureaucratic systems are better then privet ones but leaders can be in both.

Yes I can productivity would go up maybe even double people would be happier heather and safer life would be better. Why would it have to be destabilizing I don't think that would happen. I think order would be increase not decrease in fact I know that would not happen.

By voting what are you leading?

By people leading meens they are increase reputation not decrease it 

Landmark education has bean around cents be for the 60s and they have seen extraordinary results thats why they do it if this was not true I can promise you they would not be-able to function.

Landmark only runs on reputation nothing eels.

posted on April 30th, 2008, 2:54 am

Yes I can productivity would go up maybe even double people would be happier heather and safer life would be better. Why would it have to be destabilizing I don't think that would happen. I think order would be increase not decrease in fact I know that would not happen.

[size=0]thats sounds liek Commie talk right there buddy, or shoudl I say, Comrade?[/size]

posted on April 30th, 2008, 3:09 am

Not at all lumpy,

Communism is a forum of government with is dictatorial in nattier and is about suppressing people and forcing them to have a set wage for there work.

Landmark is about in-powering people it has nothing to do with government and is about helping people to live fully.

I don't see the correlation I think you are making things up bob.

posted on May 24th, 2008, 9:49 pm

I'd enjoy watching Columbia mop the floor with that Chavez fool. Supplying FARC and all his pointless threatening, would be nice to see that annoying smile get slapped off his face.