Alright those of you who don't live in North America...

posted on January 7th, 2011, 7:34 pm

What do you think of the following? Im curious as to what you all think.

You forget one thing. The international fans. Yes, we do exist. And yes, we are a bigger number than you could ever imagine. All of my close friends and family are NASCAR fans. And not a single one of us would object to seeing new manufacturers.

The biggest complaint that the people that refuse to watch NASCAR around here make? Take a guess.

Nope, not "All they do is drive in circles!". Their biggest complaint is "All they have is American cars. Toyota isn't enough reason for me to start watching". I know multiple people that would instantly start watching should BMW enter the ring.

NASCAR isn't just American. It's international. You may have "American pride", and want to see your automakers thrive, and there's nothing wrong with that, but in other countries, we want to see more automakers enter the ring. We want to see that redneck stereotype vanish.

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posted on January 7th, 2011, 8:53 pm

Ugh!

posted on January 7th, 2011, 9:22 pm

Well I confess that I don't know that much about NASCAR specifics, but when the quoted person says "it's an international sport, do they mean that it has international fans?  If the actual competition was between international teams as well as American teams (like the Tour De France) then I wholeheartedly support non-American carmakers being included. If not, and NASCAR is solely an American organization with ailar counterparts in other countries, then I say the poster can just keep on whining =D. 

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posted on January 7th, 2011, 10:53 pm

NASCAR is American.  The only international NASCAR offices are located in Canada and Mexico City, so it really is a sport that mainly Americans participate in.  Every race they do, apart from a few international exhibitions, is in the USA.  It's privately owned by an American family.  There is no rule saying foreign car companies cannot compete, es evidenced by Toyota (which does participate) and Honda (which is, apparently, looking to do so).  But if American teams want to go with American companies, I don't see what's wrong with that.  Yeah, NASCAR has a lot of international fans, but the competing teams are almost completely American.

posted on January 7th, 2011, 11:57 pm

Thanks for the info, Ruanek.  Seems pretty simple to me

posted on January 8th, 2011, 2:55 am

Why not try crossing international borders 50 to 80 times a year just to stay in contention for the championship.  That might answer your question on why not very many non-Americans race in NASCAR.  You have to live in America to be in a convenient location to race.

posted on January 8th, 2011, 3:02 am

Well, a lot of these companies already have corporations in America.   Toyota of America isn't in Guam.

So if a company like BMW and whatnot wanted to compete, it wouldn't be terribly difficult.  There's a lot of money to be had in doing NASCAR.  It's like one big marketing event.  Don't you think people might start looking toward BMWs if a BMW owned car wins?  The complaint of that guy in his post was not that it had to be an American driver, just have some non-American cars.  I think that would be pretty cool.

posted on January 8th, 2011, 3:27 am

Thanks for the info, Ruanek.  Seems pretty simple to me

Honestly, I got most of that off of wikipedia (though a bit of it I had heard before).

posted on January 8th, 2011, 5:49 am

As an American (and someone who lives in the region of the country were nascar is very popular), albiet not a nascar fan myself, I dont really see any issue with it. If the companies wanted to, they would, as its about money.

So pretty much, yell at the foreign companies to get a nascar team.

Jaguar and Ferrari teams would be pretty awsome. Or even a Rolls Royce team.

[navyguy]

posted on January 8th, 2011, 6:54 am

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Hay what a great ideal let's keep adding non Americian thing's into Americia, why not. Hell were already screwing up NASCAR, why stop there let's put Kia in there while were at it how about SAAB. How dare i say keep thing's Americian, maybe i might be called un Americian . I dont see to many Formula 1 team's asking for Dodge. Better yet why dont we throw out the Constitution and let everybody come over and do what they want, seem's that's the in thing. How can a good oleboy sport, started in the hill's of the South running illegal stash which then in turn, turned into NASCAR, i dont see how Toyota or any foreign car should even be there. I know i live in the only country where flying the flag is WRONG, you might offend someone. If you live in MICHIGAN, then you know its about 1 thing FORD VS CHEVY nothing more nothing less. I didnt mind seeing Pontiac, or Oldsmobile, i dont even mind seeing Dodge, but Toyota bs, they werent raceing back in the hill's Toyota's  try Ford's and Chevy's argue that.

posted on January 8th, 2011, 2:54 pm

lol navyguy why dont u just get your gun and go sit at the coast shooting at any boat that comes within 100 metres of the USA coast?

also it doesnt take a lot of effort to find out that america had teams in formula 1, u could have looked on wikipedia article and found that out.

why shouldnt foreign cars drive in NASCAR? the founder of chevrolet was from switzerland... REALLY american isnt it? if u really wanted to 'keep things american' you should ostracise chevrolet because they arent pure american.

black people werent terribly popular in the south back when these nascar founders raced in the hills, so are you saying black people shouldnt be allowed to drive in nascar?

whats the point of setting up a competition if the only people allowed to compete are those who competed before?

it sounds to me like you have issues about your patriotism, always feeling like you're being persecuted for it.

posted on January 8th, 2011, 6:08 pm

Yes Myles i know Ford was very popoular in the 60'S OVERSEA'S. Black's have nothing to do with this subject why you brought them up i have no ideal, they want to race that's fine i alway's thought of them as A merician's. I know Ford is Americian car company. Chevorlet is more Americian than Toyota, this is so typical of what pepole who are not from Americia, and the left will cry, if you dont embrace than your a racisit. Iam an Americian not ashamed at all, all iam saying is let's keep Americia, Americian. Myles your English yes would you like to see Americian Cricket team's.

posted on January 8th, 2011, 6:25 pm

I dont really see the point i having different car makers getting involved. The only difference is a little bit different nose and the stickers. Whatever if they want to race im not opposed.

[Tyler]

posted on January 8th, 2011, 6:38 pm

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'Keep America, American' That view sounds oddly familier...

Myles your English yes would you like to see Americian Cricket team's.

By Cricket, I assume you mean the sport that started in England? There is an American team, along with numerous other countries (at least there was, the history is kinda confusing).

posted on January 8th, 2011, 6:50 pm

Yes Myles i know Ford was very popoular in the 60'S OVERSEA'S

erm why are u mentioning ford? ford are popular overseas in the present too.

Black's have nothing to do with this subject why you brought them up i have no ideal, they want to race that's fine i alway's thought of them as A merician's

you said that only those who raced in the hills in southern usa back in the day (1940s i believe NASCAR was born) can race in NASCAR now. back then racism was rife and black people weren't tolerated and i doubt any raced then. so by your logic of NASCAR only for those who raced in the hills, black people arent allowed to race.

its not even good for NASCAR from a business sense to stop forgeign racers, since more racers is more money.

Chevorlet is more Americian than Toyota

wait so now there is a measure of american-ness. how american are chevrolet? 24 apple pies? what scale can you use to measure how american a company is? does it really matter? of course not. chevrolet's founder (chevrolet himself) wasnt from america, but that doesnt bother you? what if toyota had a factory in america that obviously employed mostly american workers? would they be american enough to enter NASCAR?

and the left will cry, if you dont embrace than your a racisit.

when did this become left vs right? and nobody is expected to stand at the airport and hug any foreigners entering their country, but barring them from entering competitions is hard to justify. it doesnt make business sense. what reason could there be for keeping foreigners out of NASCAR? keeping it american? that sounds on the face of it racist. barring foreigners from competing wholly because they are foreign.

Iam an Americian not ashamed at all

nobody should be ashamed of their nationality, it doesnt really matter that much. every country has good people and every country has bad people.

all iam saying is let's keep Americia, Americian

so anything american cant involve foreigners? that seems pretty xenophobic to me.

Myles your English yes would you like to see Americian Cricket team's.

if you guys wanna have a cricket team that would be fine by me Britain invented modern football (association football specifically) and modern tennis but the usa plays them. so why cant you play cricket? i see no reason at all why every country on earth cant play cricket if they want to. we also invented baseball and you guys play that really well.

i think the real reason why non americans dont have NASCAR teams is because we are bad at it. stock car racing isnt popular in most european countries, and its far less popular in britain than NASCAR is accross the pond. the same reason probably explains why the USA cricket team isnt widely known, you guys dont play much cricket. but if u guys played more cricket, nobody would tell your international team to go away.