Go Dark for SOPA
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posted on January 29th, 2012, 12:12 am
Its gotten so bad the only freedom the Us people have left is to vote witch is underattack.
Redistricting,
Need a ID to vote,
Miss information on how / where to vote,
Handpicked candidates,
Such tuff regulations that make it only the 1% can run for president,
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign,
Supper packs,
The electoral college,
Making it us people have to travel longe distances to vote,
Phony complaints about voting irregularities (having people not trust the process)
Theses are only the onces I can think of. Things we have deepened on before to help keep the prosees safe are not there any more:
Independent media ( all the bigest Media orgs are now owned by for profit organizations) Yellow journalism is becoming more and more of a every day thing.
The ability or people to organize and effect the governments polices are no covered in the media as much and are disassembled if they get to big. There leders are persecuted and the media go's after then and distorys them.
Unions desired to fight for working people are now at such a low leave there at the weakest point scene there creation.
Government representatives are more likely to lesson to there founders first then the people they represent, because the funding keeps then employed for then the making share the people are fully takin care of.
Even if one gets a politician that could make a difference its almost a wast of time because politics is not about finding answer its about the debate.
Redistricting,
Need a ID to vote,
Miss information on how / where to vote,
Handpicked candidates,
Such tuff regulations that make it only the 1% can run for president,
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign,
Supper packs,
The electoral college,
Making it us people have to travel longe distances to vote,
Phony complaints about voting irregularities (having people not trust the process)
Theses are only the onces I can think of. Things we have deepened on before to help keep the prosees safe are not there any more:
Independent media ( all the bigest Media orgs are now owned by for profit organizations) Yellow journalism is becoming more and more of a every day thing.
The ability or people to organize and effect the governments polices are no covered in the media as much and are disassembled if they get to big. There leders are persecuted and the media go's after then and distorys them.
Unions desired to fight for working people are now at such a low leave there at the weakest point scene there creation.
Government representatives are more likely to lesson to there founders first then the people they represent, because the funding keeps then employed for then the making share the people are fully takin care of.
Even if one gets a politician that could make a difference its almost a wast of time because politics is not about finding answer its about the debate.
Beef wrote:Causality: Cause and effect!
CAUSE: Capitalism gives way to free market enterprise, usually portrayed as the pinacle of freedom and democracy gives essentially power to the small companies to grow out of ontrol into corporations who invest their vast wealth in order to gain political influence and literally shape entire goverments like they did in america.
EFFECT: Stardate: today! SOPA/PIPA/ACTA, Corporate de-regulations, rising powerty and umeployment, national debt growing out of control and it just goes on and on!
http://www.corporations.org/system/top100.html
Want some more? Plenty where that came from!
posted on January 29th, 2012, 5:39 am
Such melodrama only serves to draw attention from the occasions in which our freedom has actually fallen under attack. There are plenty of those.
posted on January 29th, 2012, 6:26 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on January 29th, 2012, 7:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Is this not the same kind of thinking that had SOPA get quick passage. Freedom is ether some thing one keeps fighting for or one can watch it as it blows away. The loss of freedom is not some thing that can be suddenly happens from you with out warning it comes from complaisant people.
“There is no such thing as a little freedom. Either you are all free, or you are not free.”
Walter Cronkite
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
Benjamin Franklin
“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”
Martin Luther King,
“There is no such thing as a little freedom. Either you are all free, or you are not free.”
Walter Cronkite
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
Benjamin Franklin
“Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”
Martin Luther King,
posted on January 29th, 2012, 10:09 pm
SOPA was an attack. The vague voting ills you mentioned, for the most part, aren't. I'm not saying that they're good, but they certainly aren't on the same level.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 1:05 am
Last edited by ewm90 on January 30th, 2012, 1:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
If I am reading this right, what you are staying is that the attacks on voting is not as bad as sopa.
Hmm some maybe not some maybe ever damaging.
Redistricting, - a demarcate can never win Texas for state representative because of redistricting. thats pretty damaging and other states are fallowing suit, the supreme court is protecting the rulings.
Need a ID to vote, - A new republican tactic is to have red stats require people in thoughts states to have a government ID. Polling and government ID services shows mittal and upper classes are likely to have ID, Pore are less likely and less likely to have time to go out and get one when voting comes around.
Miss information on how / where to vote, Meny votes are lost each elections scale do to deliberate missinformation usually targeted to a demographic. Blacks, Hispanics, Pore.
Handpicked candidates, 33% of Republicans dont like hows running for president.
Such tuff regulations that make it only the 1% can run for president, Buddy Roemer A meltable term senator, can get on a debate in some cases even when candidates like him where abule to makes no sense. "he is very anti corruption in his fouce.
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign, We can not have people running agent financial corruption because they cant get the money to compete.
Supper packs, candidates cant controle whats said and can have thing be said that they can use posable deniability for all so they can get money for a campaign with out the campaign doing any work for it.
With all of these put to gather it makes running a honest campaign allot harder and maybe even imposable.
If we did not have to worry about this shit we would not have to worry about laws like sopa. The longer theses laws continue the more lilly it will be for law like sopa to come up.
Romney would rank among richest presidents ever
To add another dimension to this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-rank-among-richest-presidents-ever-135357128.html
Allot of money Romney is using comes from his own stock pile giving him a huge advantage.
Hmm some maybe not some maybe ever damaging.
Redistricting, - a demarcate can never win Texas for state representative because of redistricting. thats pretty damaging and other states are fallowing suit, the supreme court is protecting the rulings.
Need a ID to vote, - A new republican tactic is to have red stats require people in thoughts states to have a government ID. Polling and government ID services shows mittal and upper classes are likely to have ID, Pore are less likely and less likely to have time to go out and get one when voting comes around.
Miss information on how / where to vote, Meny votes are lost each elections scale do to deliberate missinformation usually targeted to a demographic. Blacks, Hispanics, Pore.
Handpicked candidates, 33% of Republicans dont like hows running for president.
Such tuff regulations that make it only the 1% can run for president, Buddy Roemer A meltable term senator, can get on a debate in some cases even when candidates like him where abule to makes no sense. "he is very anti corruption in his fouce.
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign, We can not have people running agent financial corruption because they cant get the money to compete.
Supper packs, candidates cant controle whats said and can have thing be said that they can use posable deniability for all so they can get money for a campaign with out the campaign doing any work for it.
With all of these put to gather it makes running a honest campaign allot harder and maybe even imposable.
If we did not have to worry about this shit we would not have to worry about laws like sopa. The longer theses laws continue the more lilly it will be for law like sopa to come up.
Romney would rank among richest presidents ever
To add another dimension to this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-rank-among-richest-presidents-ever-135357128.html
Allot of money Romney is using comes from his own stock pile giving him a huge advantage.
Redshirt wrote:SOPA was an attack. The vague voting ills you mentioned, for the most part, aren't. I'm not saying that they're good, but they certainly aren't on the same level.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 1:54 am
Last edited by Redshirt on January 30th, 2012, 2:01 am, edited 1 time in total.
Awwright, let's do this!
Yes, you are reading it right!
Redistricting is done by both sides every chance they can - there are no 'innocent' parties, nor is there anything particularly unusual about this Texas case.
A picture ID prevents voter fraud. There is nothing new or frightening about requiring a picture ID, either. There are people without photo IDs, yes, but that can be fixed by raising awareness and setting up mobile distribution centers in high-risk areas.
Not inconceivable, but the allegation is dubious. Regardless of its veracity, the actions of fringe loonies will never carry the same weight as an institutional attack (i.e. SOPA) without the use of explosives.
So long as parties have primaries, the candidate will be chosen by the party elites, be they democrats or republicans. They're the same swine, really. This is a lousy state of affairs, but it's nothing new and certainly not an attack.
Money is power. Welcome to earth.
Any cap would still be absurdly high, and it wouldn't stop corruption. Far from ideal, but not an attack.
This doesn't effect anyone's right or ability to vote, so it's not an attack no matter how dubious it is. Besides, they would have found a way to grab the $$$ anyway.
There has never been an honest campaign. That's like saying that deforestation is endangering our wild unicorns.
Eh. SOPA is certainly the product of a broken system, but most of the blame lies with greedy media conglomerates and their technologically-illiterate allies in congress. In short, the attack originated from the outside.
Being filthy rich didn't save John Kerry, so I don't expect it to catapult Romney over Obama any time soon. Heck, I'd argue that Mitt is losing votes thanks to his effete status; that sort of thing alienates republican voters more than it does democratic ones.
ewm90 wrote:If I am reading this right, what you are staying is that the attacks on voting is not as bad as sopa.
Hmm some maybe not some maybe ever damaging.
Yes, you are reading it right!
Redistricting, - a demarcate can never win Texas for state representative because of redistricting. thats pretty damaging and other states are fallowing suit, the supreme court is protecting the rulings.
Redistricting is done by both sides every chance they can - there are no 'innocent' parties, nor is there anything particularly unusual about this Texas case.
Need a ID to vote, - A new republican tactic is to have red stats require people in thoughts states to have a government ID. Polling and government ID services shows mittal and upper classes are likely to have ID, Pore are less likely and less likely to have time to go out and get one when voting comes around.
A picture ID prevents voter fraud. There is nothing new or frightening about requiring a picture ID, either. There are people without photo IDs, yes, but that can be fixed by raising awareness and setting up mobile distribution centers in high-risk areas.
Miss information on how / where to vote, Meny votes are lost each elections scale do to deliberate missinformation usually targeted to a demographic. Blacks, Hispanics, Pore.
Not inconceivable, but the allegation is dubious. Regardless of its veracity, the actions of fringe loonies will never carry the same weight as an institutional attack (i.e. SOPA) without the use of explosives.
Handpicked candidates, 33% of Republicans dont like hows running for president.
So long as parties have primaries, the candidate will be chosen by the party elites, be they democrats or republicans. They're the same swine, really. This is a lousy state of affairs, but it's nothing new and certainly not an attack.
Such tuff regulations that make it only the 1% can run for president, Buddy Roemer A meltable term senator, can get on a debate in some cases even when candidates like him where abule to makes no sense. "he is very anti corruption in his fouce.
Money is power. Welcome to earth.
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign, We can not have people running agent financial corruption because they cant get the money to compete.
Any cap would still be absurdly high, and it wouldn't stop corruption. Far from ideal, but not an attack.
Supper packs, candidates cant controle whats said and can have thing be said that they can use posable deniability for all so they can get money for a campaign with out the campaign doing any work for it.
This doesn't effect anyone's right or ability to vote, so it's not an attack no matter how dubious it is. Besides, they would have found a way to grab the $$$ anyway.
With all of these put to gather it makes running a honest campaign allot harder and maybe even imposable.
There has never been an honest campaign. That's like saying that deforestation is endangering our wild unicorns.
If we did not have to worry about this shit we would not have to worry about laws like sopa. The longer theses laws continue the more lilly it will be for law like sopa to come up.
Eh. SOPA is certainly the product of a broken system, but most of the blame lies with greedy media conglomerates and their technologically-illiterate allies in congress. In short, the attack originated from the outside.
Romney would rank among richest presidents ever
To add another dimension to this: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-rank-among-richest-presidents-ever-135357128.html
Allot of money Romney is using comes from his own stock pile giving him a huge advantage.
Being filthy rich didn't save John Kerry, so I don't expect it to catapult Romney over Obama any time soon. Heck, I'd argue that Mitt is losing votes thanks to his effete status; that sort of thing alienates republican voters more than it does democratic ones.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 3:11 am
Redistricting is done by both sides every chance they can - there are no 'innocent' parties, nor is there anything particularly unusual about this Texas case.
No there is not. the hole system filled with corruption.
A picture ID prevents voter fraud. There is nothing new or frightening about requiring a picture ID, either. There are people without photo IDs, yes, but that can be fixed by raising awareness and setting up mobile distribution centers in high-risk areas.
Even if you set up awareness in those sectors dose not meen people will get them. Geting a ID is a pretty time intensive process in most places and for pore it can take to much time. At the end of the day it costs more votes then is saves from preventing voter ford. The areas in witch is used dont usually have high voter ford.
Not inconceivable, but the allegation is dubious. Regardless of its veracity, the actions of fringe loonies will never carry the same weight as an institutional attack (i.e. SOPA) without the use of explosives.
There have bean meny cases where fake information has bean sent out by partison interests and the fake information is tied to a campaign or special interests group that benefits from the people the information was sent to not voting.
So long as parties have primaries, the candidate will be chosen by the party elites, be they democrats or republicans. They're the same swine, really. This is a lousy state of affairs, but it's nothing new and certainly not an attack.
But the hole concept of our democracy is so that the people pick hows running Va there choses. The way it is now there choses are the ones picking allot of the time. In meny cases special interests have there vote in the proses. If we did not have speshal intests in the election proses I promise you there would be no sopa.
Money is power. Welcome to earth.
Welcome to a word of laws like sopa, not a world I chose to live in and I can see I have a voce and power.
No cap money amount of money that can be used to run a campaign, We can not have people running agent financial corruption because they cant get the money to compete.
The founding father would disagree.
"this is trow if money is the most in portent thing there is" For me its not what matters to me and can be crust by money is a persons motivations, money/Power VS a better world.
This doesn't effect anyone's right or ability to vote, so it's not an attack no matter how dubious it is. Besides, they would have found a way to grab the $$$ anyway.
It dose effect peoples forcing on whats important. They dilutes the voting process so its not about the candidate but the crap that gets spread every where.
There has never been an honest campaign. That's like saying that deforestation is endangering our wild unicorns.
When we stop fighting for it, we start lossing any semblance of the people ability to have a voce. If could happen one day if we all chose to fight for it.
Eh. SOPA is certainly the product of a broken system, but most of the blame lies with greedy media conglomerates and their technologically-illiterate allies in congress. In short, the attack originated from the outside.
Andy why do you think there is a broken media because there no one left to hold them to account, in fact there now owned by the came organizations that own candidates.
Being filthy rich didn't save John Kerry, so I don't expect it to catapult Romney over Obama any time soon. Heck, I'd argue that Mitt is losing votes thanks to his effete status; that sort of thing alienates republican voters more than it does democratic ones.
True and it has not saved Mitt in past races for president, though it helps keep him in the game when other cant be.
Redshirt wrote:Awwright, let's do this!
Yes, you are reading it right!
Redistricting is done by both sides every chance they can - there are no 'innocent' parties, nor is there anything particularly unusual about this Texas case.
A picture ID prevents voter fraud. There is nothing new or frightening about requiring a picture ID, either. There are people without photo IDs, yes, but that can be fixed by raising awareness and setting up mobile distribution centers in high-risk areas.
Not inconceivable, but the allegation is dubious. Regardless of its veracity, the actions of fringe loonies will never carry the same weight as an institutional attack (i.e. SOPA) without the use of explosives.
So long as parties have primaries, the candidate will be chosen by the party elites, be they democrats or republicans. They're the same swine, really. This is a lousy state of affairs, but it's nothing new and certainly not an attack.
Money is power. Welcome to earth.
Any cap would still be absurdly high, and it wouldn't stop corruption. Far from ideal, but not an attack.
This doesn't effect anyone's right or ability to vote, so it's not an attack no matter how dubious it is. Besides, they would have found a way to grab the $$$ anyway.
There has never been an honest campaign. That's like saying that deforestation is endangering our wild unicorns.
Eh. SOPA is certainly the product of a broken system, but most of the blame lies with greedy media conglomerates and their technologically-illiterate allies in congress. In short, the attack originated from the outside.
Being filthy rich didn't save John Kerry, so I don't expect it to catapult Romney over Obama any time soon. Heck, I'd argue that Mitt is losing votes thanks to his effete status; that sort of thing alienates republican voters more than it does democratic ones.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 4:49 am
ewm90 wrote:Even if you set up awareness in those sectors dose not meen people will get them. Geting a ID is a pretty time intensive process in most places and for pore it can take to much time. At the end of the day it costs more votes then is saves from preventing voter ford. The areas in witch is used dont usually have high voter ford.
A picture ID is important for many other reasons as well. An ideal situation would not be the repeal of voter ID laws, but rather the saturation of the nation with the IDs themselves.
There have bean meny cases where fake information has bean sent out by partison interests and the fake information is tied to a campaign or special interests group that benefits from the people the information was sent to not voting.
Everything benefits someone. That does not mean that everything is a top-down conspiracy. For one thing, I doubt many of today's players are competent enough to run something like that successfully and without being implicated.
But the hole concept of our democracy is so that the people pick hows running Va there choses. The way it is now there choses are the ones picking allot of the time. In meny cases special interests have there vote in the proses. If we did not have speshal intests in the election proses I promise you there would be no sopa.
We're not a democracy; we're a democratic republic. Huuuge difference. In the end, that's irrelevant; so long as interests exist and wield power (in other words, so long as humans behave in a human fashion) this situation will continue to exist.
Welcome to a word of laws like sopa, not a world I chose to live in and I can see I have a voce and power.
Money is the institutionalized material manifestation of power, which itself is innate to all forms of human interaction. No ideal will ever change its reality or its function. It's nice to think that you matter, but on a macro level, you really don't. Few people do, and few people will.
The founding father would disagree.
"this is trow if money is the most in portent thing there is" For me its not what matters to me and can be crust by money is a persons motivations, money/Power VS a better world.
Rationally, all things are expressed in the form of material power. For the most part, that means money. If you want to believe in a "better world," you need to pack up all semblance of reason and release yourself to the realm of absurdity.
It dose effect peoples forcing on whats important. They dilutes the voting process so its not about the candidate but the crap that gets spread every where.
The candidates are the crap that gets spread everywhere. How else do you appeal to a nation of 300,000,000 people who want nothing more that to fool themselves into believing in something? Obama is the perfect example: he mobilized broad swaths of the population by spouting meaningless platitudes about 'hope' and 'change,' while offering neither. He deserves his Nobel Peace Prize just as much as Kissinger and Arafat deserve theirs.
When we stop fighting for it, we start lossing any semblance of the people ability to have a voce. If could happen one day if we all chose to fight for it.
The moment you see an honest political campaign on a national level is the moment you've been fooled. No exceptions.
Andy why do you think there is a broken media because there no one left to hold them to account, in fact there now owned by the came organizations that own candidates.
Everyone operates in a very rational manner in this system: They each have their own best interests at heart. It takes a very special person to fault them for that without plunging into the depths of hypocrisy, and quality individuals of that sort are a rare sight indeed among the upper echelons of any society.
True and it has not saved Mitt in past races for president, though it helps keep him in the game when other cant be.
He's really no worse than the others. When Ron Paul is the most adroit mind in attendance, you know you're in trouble.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 4:46 pm
A picture ID is important for many other reasons as well. An ideal situation would not be the repeal of voter ID laws, but rather the saturation of the nation with the IDs themselves.
We already had voter registration cards. The ID is overkill.
Everything benefits someone. That does not mean that everything is a top-down conspiracy. For one thing, I doubt many of today's players are competent enough to run something like that successfully and without being implicated.
When you deliberate send out miss information its Ilegal and the response you gave leave me being concerned about if you are committed to having a system with integrity.
We're not a democracy; we're a democratic republic. Huuuge difference. In the end, that's irrelevant; so long as interests exist and wield power (in other words, so long as humans behave in a human fashion) this situation will continue to exist.
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Money is the institutionalized material manifestation of power, which itself is innate to all forms of human interaction. No ideal will ever change its reality or its function. It's nice to think that you matter, but on a macro level, you really don't. Few people do, and few people will.
I am try sorry you feel this way. You could not be more wrong.
by William Earnest Henley
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud,
Under the bludgeoning of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
If people in this country though like this, we would have a much different country.
Rationally, all things are expressed in the form of material power. For the most part, that means money. If you want to believe in a "better world," you need to pack up all semblance of reason and release yourself to the realm of absurdity.
I wont you to watch 2 you tube clips:
1st put every thing you know to the side watching theses clips.
David Logan on tribal leadership
- YouTube
Talking about a different way of crating things.
TEDxSinCity - Dave Logan - Make a Genius Tribe
- YouTube
More.
Rationally, all things are expressed in the form of material power. For the most part, that means money. If you want to believe in a "better world," you need to pack up all semblance of reason and release yourself to the realm of absurdity.
Living a life for money is a life I coach people out of all the time. living in a world where money is the best thing you can get is a crappy crappy way to live a life.
The candidates are the crap that gets spread everywhere. How else do you appeal to a nation of 300,000,000 people who want nothing more that to fool themselves into believing in something? Obama is the perfect example: he mobilized broad swaths of the population by spouting meaningless platitudes about 'hope' and 'change,' while offering neither. He deserves his Nobel Peace Prize just as much as Kissinger and Arafat deserve theirs.
Thats because I am guessing, You dont live in a world of whats posable, You live in a world of what do I need to make it. Plus you dont agree with his ideas.
People how make allot of money or are successful, 90% of the time dont go out to be successful. they get moved by whats posable and then you come out with companies like apple, Microsoft, Google, Ford, BMW, Fleet ops, and so on. Most successful entrepreneur dont go after money yet get it has a biproduct of there love for whats posable in a field they love.
The moment you see an honest political campaign on a national level is the moment you've been fooled. No exceptions.
I think you have given up. thats all. All there is to get you have created the words as a scary and dangerous place you made it the truth.
Everyone operates in a very rational manner in this system: They each have their own best interests at heart. It takes a very special person to fault them for that without plunging into the depths of hypocrisy, and quality individuals of that sort are a rare sight indeed among the upper echelons of any society.
What you wont and feel is safety mechanism to help you survive not thrive.
He's really no worse than the others. When Ron Paul is the most adroit mind in attendance, you know you're in trouble.
LOL
Redshirt wrote:A picture ID is important for many other reasons as well. An ideal situation would not be the repeal of voter ID laws, but rather the saturation of the nation with the IDs themselves.
Everything benefits someone. That does not mean that everything is a top-down conspiracy. For one thing, I doubt many of today's players are competent enough to run something like that successfully and without being implicated.
We're not a democracy; we're a democratic republic. Huuuge difference. In the end, that's irrelevant; so long as interests exist and wield power (in other words, so long as humans behave in a human fashion) this situation will continue to exist.
Money is the institutionalized material manifestation of power, which itself is innate to all forms of human interaction. No ideal will ever change its reality or its function. It's nice to think that you matter, but on a macro level, you really don't. Few people do, and few people will.
Rationally, all things are expressed in the form of material power. For the most part, that means money. If you want to believe in a "better world," you need to pack up all semblance of reason and release yourself to the realm of absurdity.
The candidates are the crap that gets spread everywhere. How else do you appeal to a nation of 300,000,000 people who want nothing more that to fool themselves into believing in something? Obama is the perfect example: he mobilized broad swaths of the population by spouting meaningless platitudes about 'hope' and 'change,' while offering neither. He deserves his Nobel Peace Prize just as much as Kissinger and Arafat deserve theirs.
The moment you see an honest political campaign on a national level is the moment you've been fooled. No exceptions.
Everyone operates in a very rational manner in this system: They each have their own best interests at heart. It takes a very special person to fault them for that without plunging into the depths of hypocrisy, and quality individuals of that sort are a rare sight indeed among the upper echelons of any society.
He's really no worse than the others. When Ron Paul is the most adroit mind in attendance, you know you're in trouble.
posted on January 30th, 2012, 9:26 pm
Quote war!
Captain: FIRE ALL AFT QUOTON TORPEDOS MR. WORF!
Worf: Their shields are unaffected!
Captain: DETONATE THE LOGIC MINES!
Worf: They're firing back!
Captain: Strengthen logic deflectors!
*consoles asplode*
Worf: We took damage, shall I initialize the derailment thrusters?
Captain: They're on loan to Boggz' ship.
Worf: Okay then, FIRING CLUSTER LOGIC BOMB!
Now as to how I feel about it after skimming your superposts:
Ron Paul has stated he would hav vetoed civil rights legislation. He thinks that the gov't shouldn't infringe the rights of businesses to be racist. He also wants to leave the UN, and take away lots of services for the poor. Becasue of this, I cannot support him.
On the other hand, he is the only Republican candidate to oppose SOPA and the PATRIOT act (the others even downright support the PATRIOT act), therefore he is the only one of them to actually value freedom over so-called security.
I cannot support a candidate who does not speak out against things like SOPA or the PATRIOT act, so I cannot support any other Republican candidate.
It is my final conclusion that even if Obama suddenly reversed every single good thing he did, I would still vote for him since there is no acceptable alternative.
It is all about control, and money givs you control. Until we can cutoff all relations between candidates & congress and big business, we are doomed to see rich folks who don't giv a damn about our freedoms in office.
Captain: FIRE ALL AFT QUOTON TORPEDOS MR. WORF!
Worf: Their shields are unaffected!
Captain: DETONATE THE LOGIC MINES!
Worf: They're firing back!
Captain: Strengthen logic deflectors!
*consoles asplode*
Worf: We took damage, shall I initialize the derailment thrusters?
Captain: They're on loan to Boggz' ship.
Worf: Okay then, FIRING CLUSTER LOGIC BOMB!
Now as to how I feel about it after skimming your superposts:
Ron Paul has stated he would hav vetoed civil rights legislation. He thinks that the gov't shouldn't infringe the rights of businesses to be racist. He also wants to leave the UN, and take away lots of services for the poor. Becasue of this, I cannot support him.
On the other hand, he is the only Republican candidate to oppose SOPA and the PATRIOT act (the others even downright support the PATRIOT act), therefore he is the only one of them to actually value freedom over so-called security.
I cannot support a candidate who does not speak out against things like SOPA or the PATRIOT act, so I cannot support any other Republican candidate.
It is my final conclusion that even if Obama suddenly reversed every single good thing he did, I would still vote for him since there is no acceptable alternative.
It is all about control, and money givs you control. Until we can cutoff all relations between candidates & congress and big business, we are doomed to see rich folks who don't giv a damn about our freedoms in office.
posted on April 4th, 2012, 8:09 pm
Something worse than SOPA is coming up next. https://torrentfreak.com/draconian-priv ... rt-120404/ We have been warned. This people are invested in this no doubt about it >:(
posted on April 17th, 2012, 3:17 pm
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