Will ships in the game be slowly replaced?

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 7:14 pm

If we take real-time into consideration, then we are nearing the 25th century and as such technology is advancing.
But surely, with this, ships are likely to be replaced and upgraded, along with the technology that they use.

If I understand this correctly, then surely vessels such as the Intrepid (Put into action almost 30 years ago by the time of the late 24th Century) will be replaced, by newer vessels created by the developers.

Is it the general aim of the Developers to slowly eradicate all original ships from the game, slowly replacing them?

Or is it more likely that we are going to be using the current set, until A2 is 'echoes of the void' to quote Harry Kim's tune 

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 7:20 pm

If we take real-time into consideration, then we are nearing the 25th century and as such technology is advancing.
But surely, with this, ships are likely to be replaced and upgraded, along with the technology that they use.

If I understand this correctly, then surely vessels such as the Intrepid (Put into action almost 30 years ago by the time of the late 24th Century) will be replaced, by newer vessels created by the developers.

I doubt they'd scrap the designs that fast, look at the Excelsior... and the Intrepid is much older than 30 years, it's almost as old as the Galaxy.

Or is it more likely that we are going to be using the current set, until A2 is 'echoes of the void' to quote Harry Kim's tune 

I'd say that's more likely, it fits with Starfleets normal practice more.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 7:27 pm

Ok thats fair enough, though I'd like to point out that the Interpid came active in 2370's, whereas the Galaxy was either 2359/60/61

[Tyler]

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 7:28 pm

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Voyager came out in the 2370's, but wasn't the first of the Class. There was at least 1 other out before Voyager.

A small gap of a bit less than 13 years isn't that big for a new Starship design.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 7:56 pm

No, they wouldn't replace the designs, they'd just refit them (Excelsior II, Miranda II (BTW, awesome work on those )).

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 8:08 pm

"replacing" them would mean getting rid of all the work they did on them .  I'd hate that!

  I think the Devs are going for the coolest game they can make at the current stardate timeframe they've chosen.  I doubt they'd "Evolve" it in the Trek Timeline until we didn't recognize anything.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:01 pm

"replacing" them would mean getting rid of all the work they did on them .  I'd hate that!

  I think the Devs are going for the coolest game they can make at the current stardate timeframe they've chosen.  I doubt they'd "Evolve" it in the Trek Timeline until we didn't recognize anything.

Indeed. To further that, no more canon designs are going to be replaced, and only a few new ships (both canon and non canon) will be added to the current line-ups. The Devs like the current TNG style and aren't going to replace it like STO does  . They feel that ships like the Miranda are simply too old by ST standards to include, hence why we get homages, rather than the original with a new paint coat

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:29 pm

No, they wouldn't replace the designs, they'd just refit them (Excelsior II, Miranda II (BTW, awesome work on those )).

Those aren't examples of refits. They are new space frames with design and purposeful elements of their predecessors.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:47 pm

Those aren't examples of refits. They are new space frames with design and purposeful elements of their predecessors.

Aye, indeed - can't believe I didn't catch that 

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:49 pm

Those aren't examples of refits. They are new space frames with design and purposeful elements of their predecessors.

Aren't they actually the old frames, but with an improved design built around them? 

And even if they're technically building the frames in the yards, it could still be considered a 'new' ship based on a refit schematic.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:51 pm

Aye, indeed - can't believe I didn't catch that 

Happens to the best of us...

Aren't they actually the old frames, but with an improved design built around them? 

And even if they're technically building the frames in the yards, it could still be considered a 'new' ship based on a refit schematic.

No, they're new designs entirely. Like a tribute to the original ones.

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 9:53 pm

Nope, they are brand new designs - nothing to do with a refit (for instance, the Excel II was sister class to the Sovereign) . If you want, you can check the guide for all the info that is available on the two "II's" that are available in Fleet Operations - the Miranda II and the Excelsior II.

Dash, nija'd by Tyler

[Professor J]

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 10:02 pm

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Ah, but the II in their name is a giveaway.  If they were "completely new designs," then they would be completely new ships, with a completely new class.  My argument was simply that those two were 'based on the mark ones, relative to some basic design.  And judging from the size/shape of the frames/models, would it be so implausible to build a Miranda II for example, around the frame of a Miranda I?  A space-frame itself is just that, a skeletal frame, that you could slap the required pieces onto.  (I'm assuming that the I's & II's are the same size, now watch me go check the site and possibly contradict myself, but hey, they look the same size in game!)

Edit: ..  #*%#@!&#!!   They'd be cheaper if they bought used...

posted on February 3rd, 2010, 11:02 pm

Yup, they are based off the designs very loosely - like I said earlier, an homage. However, they are not refits, and so not based off the actual spaceframe

posted on February 4th, 2010, 12:26 am

Okay, let's see if I can salvage anything of my argument:

"Theoretically, would it be possible to refit a surplus space-frame from a mark 1, for use with a mark II, considering obvious layout and architectural similarities?" 

I ask because let's face it, as cool as new designs are, and the homage aspect aside, the time-line is post-war with a devastated fleet, and there's bound to be scores of the old mark one's around.  It wouldn't be much of an upgrade to create a similarly-designed vessel and not take advantage of existing supplies, which would drastically reduce the cost and construction time.  Otherwise, refitting existing vessels would be the superior cost-effective option, which should technically make the war-refit's buildable and the Mark II's a rarer warp-in, as far as the excelsior's go, anyway.

We're trying to win a war here, not impress the neighbours with our shiny new 'car.'