Saucer Seperation for Galaxy Class

[DatonKallandor]

posted on December 31st, 2008, 5:55 am

Last edited by DatonKallandor on December 31st, 2008, 5:59 am, edited 1 time in total.

According to the TNG Technical Manual,
3 fusion reactors? Holy cow...one of these things would be enough to power the whole world if not the United States alone and the Galaxy Class has 3 of these babies per engine! Hello Captain, I don't think you have to worry about having enough power to fire phasers on the saucer with these monster power generators.

You vastly overestimate the effectiveness of a fusion generator. But let's assume for the sake of arguement that those fusion reactors are as powerful as you claim - congratualtions, you've just made the Warp Core obsolete. If simple fusion was as effective as you claim, it'd outperform M/AM reactions - which is what the Warp Core does. The very fact that their fusion reactors are not that powerful is why they are used as emergency backups that can't replace the actual Warp Core.

A simple answer, in fact Commander Riker stated to Commander Shelby, "we might need the extra power from the saucer's impulse engines." Therefore the Galaxy Class does have the ability to use the extra power from the saucer's impulse engines that are powered by the fusion reactors.

There goes your much flaunted separation speed advantage.

Finally, have you ever played STTNG: A Final Unity? This game was so close to the series that some people actually considered it an episode. This games technical aspects were very well detailed especially in tactical and engineering.

In engineering, power was generated from the warp core and the fusion reactors. Most of the power from the warp core went to the warp core and a little to other ships systems. Power from the fusion reactor went to the other ships systems including phasers, torpedoes, shields, sensors, computer cores, tractor beams, and life support.

Oh, so you're bringing out games as support? Okay, I can do that too - SFC series, the Warpcore provides the energy for the ship. Academy series, ditto.

I don't see any evidence in this thread where you described such a situation.

"...unless those halves have a massive speed advantage..." 

Another interesting factoid - if seperation was as powerful as you claim: Why didn't they use it all those times they were outclassed in combat? According to you, it would have massively upped their combat power.

[Anonymous]

posted on December 31st, 2008, 7:03 am

Last edited by Anonymous on December 31st, 2008, 7:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

You vastly overestimate the effectiveness of a fusion generator. But let's assume for the sake of arguement that those fusion reactors are as powerful as you claim - congratualtions, you've just made the Warp Core obsolete

This is not the case. It's in the Tech Manual, you simply choose to ignore the facts. This means you're saying the authors of the technical manual are full of crap and don't know what they're talking about when they state the use of fusion reactors aboard starships and space stations. If none of what the writers of the Tech Manual and the series make sense to you then there's no point for you to like Star Trek at all.

Why didn't they use it all those times they were outclassed in combat?

The writers did want to include the saucer separation in more than just a couple of scripts but couldn't do it due to time restraints and production costs.

According to you, it would have massively upped their combat power.

You're exaggerating my statement. Please, do not put words in my mouth. What I said was they would have gained an increase in weapon ability, not a massive increase in combat power. Those are two completely different statements.

You've made your point; you think saucer separation is useless, but if you're going to make a good argument then at least back up your statements with facts and not solely based on what you believe.

posted on December 31st, 2008, 7:19 am

dude it also has the power generators that power the impulse engine so that has to be pretty powerful, i think you daton underestimate the power of the galaxy class it is on the cuthrough of technology before the release of the soverign, and even after that it still was so, there were many glaxy class built, and i get that information from an actualy source, not just a theroy of my own with no proof, or evidence behind it as you seem to do, ive actually looked it up, go to memeory alpha and look up galaxy class and all of that, then hopefully yuo will see

posted on January 1st, 2009, 6:23 am

and daton how can you say that he overestimates it when you wont provide any sources for your info, all they are is therioes in you head

posted on January 5th, 2009, 12:03 am

it all depends on the pros and cons but it would be cool to see if its done right

posted on January 5th, 2009, 12:13 am

yes it would, i wish that somone from fleet ops would comment of one of these two galaxy class/seperation threads

posted on January 5th, 2009, 12:51 am

From what I can tell, this is like a religion vs atheism debate. It goes no where because neither side is willing to make concessions. (Myself included).

posted on January 5th, 2009, 12:59 am

But, unlike a religion vs atheism debate... both sides are based on fiction 

Since cannon is so irregular from episode to episode and series to series (not to mention series to manual)... I would say it is very difficult to form a consensus here. Theoretically speaking, if we were to use true-to-life equations, I believe M/AM reactions should be the most efficient production of energy possible (outside of zero-point crap). That said, true-to-life has little to do with most sci-fi.... soooo.... *FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT* 

posted on January 5th, 2009, 1:03 am

Well, where do you stand?

posted on January 5th, 2009, 1:32 am

I stand outside of the circle pumping my fist in that angry/excited school yard voice 

...but seriously, there was another thread around here where Optec I think said that the maneuvor was never designed to be military... but still might make it in (but only on special occasions).

In fact... looking at it: you just requoted it too Rhaz 

"Saucer Seperation is no military attack pattern or something like that. a splitted galaxy is far less effective in combat then a combined one (taken from the Galaxy Technology Book). Therefore seperation wont make it into Fleet Operations as a special ability, but perhaps in some other way"

Even though against certain races I think that it should offer a tactical advantage, I don't believe the saucer seperation makes the galaxy especially stronger against every race... especially if one considers the obvious issues due to power management. Even if fusion power was the most amazing power source ever, if the saucer and engineering sections split, only one of those halves would have most/all of the fusion power (and less than the total amount of weapons and shield generators)... thus one section already becomes inferior, and actually, so do both because less shield generators being powered on less reactors means less shielding... I think