[Request/Balance] - Federation Warp-Ins

posted on May 19th, 2011, 9:22 pm

But far more rewarding if you take it.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 9:38 pm

If you have enough ships to take it then supply really shouldnt be a problem

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:09 pm

If you have enough ships to take it then supply really shouldnt be a problem

in an online game certainly if u are capable of capturing their incubators, then you could have just blown their entire base up and set up mining or something.

but maybe in ai games the ai puts incubators in more vulnerable positions? humans usually put incubators near main base, maybe the ai is stupid.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:11 pm

I wouldnt mind seeing some of the other ships more often, there are far more galaxy class ships than excells 1s but thats all i ever seem to get is excell 1s and a ton of nebulas sometimes 3 nebulas.

Iv only ever gotten the nova once and the centair twice.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:23 pm

I don't think i've gotten a Nova refit yet in the warp-in so i would like to see the chances improved a little, not too much since i understand it is a beast but a little.

The odds of receiving an excelsior ought to be decreased. Even though once upon a time it was a federation spam unit, it was a unit introduced in 2287 and i think after 100+ years most vessels will be taken out of service because of structural deficiencies in their frame.

Even the most recent (known) variant, the Lakota, was a refit in 2372 (20 years in the past FO time line)

[Anonymous]

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:32 pm

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nova refit only has a chance of 3%

the chance of getting excels is high.

there are far more galaxy class ships than excells 1s

where u get that from? we saw very few galaxies in dominion war (like 4 or 5 on screen at once). not many were made, and they suffered losses too. ent D, yamato, odyssey. all gone. leaves venture, galaxy, challenger, named and known to exist. even if u add a few more, thats between a dozen and 2 dozen ships made, and then they moved onto the sovvie.

while for decades they spammed excels, and when constellations were being decommed, the excels were getting refit after refit, apparently they had a good track record. we saw them in huge numbers in the dominion war, and it was the miranda that was the real cannon fodder.

i definitely think excels should have high chances to be around. the fancy ships like galaxies and sovvies would probably be doing the fed's diplomacy things to get new fed members and repair damage done during the dominion war (like in insurrection where picard was sent to get some new allies). while its the excels which are gonna be doing the workhorse stuff, milling around doing low priority things like nebulae surveys and ferrying low priority supplies, and its them that starfleet will send when you cry for help, because their mission isnt really that important.

oh and also there's balance. warpins need to have some weak ships, ambassadors, nebs and galaxies cant be given low stats because they are big strong ships, so we need more of the weaker ships.

The odds of receiving an excelsior ought to be decreased. Even though once upon a time it was a federation spam unit, it was a unit introduced in 2287 and i think after 100+ years most vessels will be taken out of service because of structural deficiencies in their frame.

Even the most recent (known) variant, the Lakota, was a refit in 2372 (20 years in the past FO time line)

structural problems? where'd that come from. they are old, but apparently refit quite well. there was one in the dominion war where its saucer had a big hole punched through by enemy fire, and the hull survived.

the lakota getting a refit so recently is a good sign that the excel isnt too old yet.

[Tyler]

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:43 pm

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About 7-12 were seen oncreen in a single episode (Sacrifice of Angels). The exact number isn't known other than it's higher than TNG backstage sources originally said, but there's still not even close to as many as the Excelsior.

I am still curious as to the 'replaced by Sovvie' part I keep hearing, largely due to the lack of canon in it. I assume it's strictly a FO timeline thing?

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:00 pm

Oh, so a 100-year-old chassis isn't old but 50 and 60-year-old chassis are old.  There's no reason that those chassis can't be refitted like you say the Excelsior's were.  Especially since the Excelsior chassis age is about double that of the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Nebula.  And the Nebula has 3 variants.

The fact that Starfleet would retires 50 and 60-year-old chassis but not retire 100-year-old chassis is illogical.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:23 pm

structural problems? where'd that come from. they are old, but apparently refit quite well. there was one in the dominion war where its saucer had a big hole punched through by enemy fire, and the hull survived.

the lakota getting a refit so recently is a good sign that the excel isnt too old yet.

Any frame either from aircraft, ships or spacecraft suffer losses in structural integrity as time goes by.
Prime example was the limit on g-forces for early models from the F-15 Eagle after two accidents accredited to weakening of the structural integrity due to age.

It is not a stretch to extend this to a spaceship which is subjected to the stress of warp flight especially when an airframe is 50-100 years old.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:28 pm

the excelsior vessels in service are of course not 100 years old at least not the majority which you warp-in in Fleet Operations. It is a very successful chassis, capable of everything Starfleet needs. That's why it was produced in large masses and there were a lot of resources put into refits and similar programs. Unlike the Galaxy or the Ambassador, which are more or less exotic in both their size and mission outline.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:37 pm

Also its very reasonable to assume that a ship that never leaves space would suffer less from structural decay due to the fact that all the effects that normal weaken things aren't there, like rust or gravity

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:53 pm

Also its very reasonable to assume that a ship that never leaves space would suffer less from structural decay due to the fact that all the effects that normal weaken things aren't there, like rust or gravity

Space is a far more dangerous environment for equipment than earth.
Radiation for one thing, Gravity is also present in space, in Star Trek warp flight is a major strain on a chassis and the list goes on.

The excelsior was a successful design, but one that was replaced by the Ambassador Class.
Once a design is no longer top of the line, production will slow down.

Take all these things in consideration it is a stretch of imagination that the vessel is still present in such large numbers 60 years (FO timeline) after it was replaced by the Ambassador.

posted on May 20th, 2011, 1:06 am

E1 is cheap, facilities exist everywhere to construct it, and the parts and specs are readily available and easily producible. Just because we can build aircraft carriers and nukes doesn't mean that's the best choice for every engagement. I'm sure the Federation thinks somewhat similar. Sometimes the economic route wins.

Myles,

What episode is that??? I'd love to see a lil tiny Nova kick down a ship that is supposed to be the Klingon flagship. Isn't that like the best that the Klinks got (on the show)?

posted on May 20th, 2011, 1:27 am

Its on the last episode of Voyager part 1. But isn't it also possible that the Ambassador was built for a specific purpose and not for mass production.

posted on May 20th, 2011, 4:04 am

Oh yeah, wasn't that Harry Kim's ship or something?

Yeah right, I can't believe that thats all two Klingon battleships can bring against that tiny little ship. Don't they have planetary bombardment cannons?