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posted on March 7th, 2011, 2:08 pm

I didn't mention you, Admiral because you're relatively new here. 

I'm hoping to get online soon but my net's bad 
but personally I think that debates are quite good; as long as neither side is offended.
maybe we should put up a poll.
"would you like extra rom turrets.
would you not like extra rom turrets.
Don't care"
Technically I think it would be nice of you guys to tell me how  to put up a poll.I'm quite new here

posted on March 7th, 2011, 4:52 pm

polls are good, on contentious issues (this one has proven itself to be a hot potato before) a poll can be a good barometer.

Go to the subforum u wanna put the poll in, flops->general sounds good to me.

Then at the top right there should be an option for new poll. Choose the poll format and post

posted on March 7th, 2011, 5:40 pm

Myles, just try not "attacking" as you put it.

  Like Clint said, not everything has to be debated.  You say you only attack what is wrong, but much of what you consider "wrong" is just your opinion.  Perims earlier than you'd do it is not WRONG, it's just not what you would do.  There's a difference.

  If something is genuinely WRONG, then link something and show it or copy some part of an ODF.  What you do is just berate someone with your opinions over things that are somewhat subjective and hard to quantify.

posted on March 7th, 2011, 6:00 pm

i can only argue from my opinion, i cant argue from anyone else's opinion. When i try to prove someone 'wrong' in a debate, its not usually to make them have my opinion, its almost impossible to do that, i just wanna debate, and make both parties have a better understanding of each other's position.

Of course i consider opinions other than my own as wrong, thats the nature of opinion. doesnt mean they have any less right to exist.

About the perimeter, i consider it 'wrong' as i think it weakens the player, not because its impossible or technically incorrect in some way. If debate was restricted to only things that can be proven conretely via odfs and such (aka positive things) then there would be little debate, and each pseudo debate would end in evidence. Usually people dont disagree on positive things, and most disagreements are over subjective/opinion-y things (normative). being normative isnt discrete either, there are shades of grey, eg if u have the opinion that u like the colour green, a debate on that wouldnt give either of us any insight.

Nothing HAS to be debated, most things CAN be debated. I dont feel i berate someone by attacking their logic/rational argument/opinion/position. Just as i dont feel berated when people attack mine, i enjoy it, maybe i'm a tellarite lol, i do enjoy having my reasoning attacked, because then it makes sure i look closely and examine things clearly, and then i learn.

Attacking people directly is another thing, you should be able to debate effectively without using your opponent's name or the second person.

posted on March 8th, 2011, 12:46 am

Myles,
Again, as you become more experienced with life, you can have your own opinions and not consider others as wrong-just different.  You also learn that waiting and watching how things play out often has its own rewards.

It's always your choice, but I challenge you to wait a day or so after a post has been up and see how the conversation is going.  You may see your opinion voiced by others and you may yet still need to chime in.

Anyways, those are my thoughts.  I will not derail the thread any further. 

posted on March 8th, 2011, 1:37 am

i dont believe i am these things, please explain why you think i am these things?

Disparaging means "belittling"; pretentious means "characterized by assumption of dignity or importance", in this case especially in comparison to the other persons' POV. That is to say, you assume that you alone have a dignified and important opinion; overbearing means "haughtily or rudely arrogant".

We add this all together, and break it down to the most simple explanation: You place an overly inflated value on your own opinions while devaluing those of others in your mind. This comes across very clearly in your posting. As for why I think this of you, that's simply because I read your posts. If you'll look at the past pages of the replay thread, and the whole of this thread, you might note that everyone around you can see it just as well as I can. You alone seem to be oblivious to just how hard you are on anyone who you disagree with.

[Anonymous]

posted on March 8th, 2011, 9:12 pm

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Again, as you become more experienced with life, you can have your own opinions and not consider others as wrong-just different.

thats not true, you can either agree with someone's opinion or have your own opinion and think that their's is incorrect, thats just natural, people disagree. i dont want it to seem that just because i disagree with somebody that they have less right to express their opinion, only that if they express their opinion in a place for debate, that they cant demand silence from the room.

Disparaging means "belittling"; pretentious means "characterized by assumption of dignity or importance", in this case especially in comparison to the other persons' POV. That is to say, you assume that you alone have a dignified and important opinion; overbearing means "haughtily or rudely arrogant".

i know what they mean, i was questioning you calling me them

That is to say, you assume that you alone have a dignified and important opinion

i can assure u, i dont. everyone has a right to their opinion, but nobody has a right to place their opinion in a forum for debate and then demand that nobody challenges it. my opinion isnt more important than anyone else's. i do believe my opinion is the correct one, as that is the very definition of opinion, i argue for what i believe, if i thought my opinion was incorrect then it wouldnt be my opinion, it would be a contradiction of the word.

You place an overly inflated value on your own opinions while devaluing those of others in your mind.

how can you speak to what is in my mind through text i post? i think it is arrogant to assume you know what somebody else is thinking. i do not think that, i always take my own side in a debate because that is the nature of debate, there is no point arguing for somebody else's side all you see is the debate, when i disagree with someone's opinion, i debate with them, when i agree with them, i usually say nothing. as it would be ridiculous to say "i agree" every time anybody says anything i agree with. if i did post my agreement with everything, you would find that i (and any other sane person) would agree with almost everything people say, its the disagreements that are posted about, so they seem more numerous.

i dont devalue anybody's opinion, in fact if i had no respect for a person or their opinion at all, i wouldnt waste my time debating with them as neither party would benefit. when i debate with someone i want to hear MORE of their opinion, i want to learn why they believe what they believe, maybe i will learn something.

If you'll look at the past pages of the replay thread,

i did notice i was being too critical about some replays, its very easy to watch a replay and criticise, and i have already stopped those posts, and now take the side of not being critical in replays. you were there when i made this clear a while ago, so you are bringing back past mistakes from a long time ago. i think you are being unreasonable.

you might note that everyone around you can see it just as well as I can. You alone seem to be oblivious to just how hard you are on anyone who you disagree with.

i dont think it is appropriate for you to appeal to "everyone" when so few opinions have been heard, you should speak for your own opinion, and let "everyone around" speak for themslves.

your post comes accross as very curt, not rude or insulting, but hostile; i get the impression that you dislike me on a personal level, now i cant think of any personal interaction i have had with you that would lead to you feeling insulted, and i would hate to think you have formed a personal opinion of me simply because of forum posts.

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EDIT: wasnt quick enough in adding a second thought.

[Kestrel]

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 2:25 pm

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how can you speak to what is in my mind through text i post? i think it is arrogant to assume you know what somebody else is thinking. i do not think that, i always take my own side in a debate because that is the nature of debate, there is no point arguing for somebody else's side LOL all you see is the debate, when i disagree with someone's opinion, i debate with them, when i agree with them, i usually say nothing. as it would be ridiculous to say "i agree" every time anybody says anything i agree with. if i did post my agreement with everything, you would find that i (and any other sane person) would agree with almost everything people say, its the disagreements that are posted about, so they seem more numerous.

i dont devalue anybody's opinion, in fact if i had no respect for a person or their opinion at all, i wouldnt waste my time debating with them as neither party would benefit. when i debate with someone i want to hear MORE of their opinion, i want to learn why they believe what they believe, maybe i will learn something.

That is completely incorrect its quite easy to determine the type of person someone is by their writing and choice of words, writers often yell abuse at their critics for doing this and telling them you cant know anything about that person but the critics are often right with their reviews on their profiles about the writers.

Its arrogant to assume but not to call it when its right their in front of everybody.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 3:56 pm

That is completely incorrect its quite easy to determine the type of person someone is by their writing and choice of words, writers often yell abuse at their critics for doing this and telling them you cant know anything about that person but the critics are often right with their reviews on their profiles about the writers.

15 day necro just cos u want the last word

and your point is completely incorrect, you cant expect to know anybody by looking at words. its just ridiculous to assume you can know somebody from what they write.

also i never said determine the type of person someone is, you obviously failed to read my post despite the fact that you quoted it in your own post

i said:

how can you speak to what is in my mind through text i post? i think it is arrogant to assume you know what somebody else is thinking.

you cant figure out what is in someone's mind through text easily either, its possible, if they tell you via text what is in their mind. short of that its not possible.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 4:46 pm

15 day necro just cos u want the last word

and your point is completely incorrect, you cant expect to know anybody by looking at words. its just ridiculous to assume you can know somebody from what they write.

also i never said determine the type of person someone is, you obviously failed to read my post despite the fact that you quoted it in your own post

i said:

you cant figure out what is in someone's mind through text easily either, its possible, if they tell you via text what is in their mind. short of that its not possible.

Yeah i want the last word.... YOU REPLY TO EVERYTHING its a known fact that no one can get the last word in with you trolling the forum.


You did not say easily you said cant figure out as in impossible not unlikely.... this is wrong.


Yes so everything is wrong except you again sure.

I didnt say you can know and learn everything about a person simply by looking at their words i said you can learn alot, perhaps you should read what people write before creating a boring story for every forum post full of incorrect information.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 4:56 pm

Yeah i want the last word.... YOU REPLY TO EVERYTHING its a known fact that no one can get the last word in with you trolling the forum.

once again you have missed the point, i was pointing out your necroing, not your replying. just being curious, why didnt you reply 15 days ago? why save it that long?

your opinion is not known fact. known fact is that the sky is blue. twilight sucks is my opinion.

You did not say easily you said cant figure out as in impossible not unlikely.... this is wrong.

i said you cant speak to what is in my mind, which you cant you never will be over a forum. you know very little of what is in my mind, not enough to allow you to speak of my thoughts. if u want to tell me something, try argue against my points, those you will find clearly in my post.

Yes so everything is wrong except you again sure.

things that are wrong: 1) your points.

hardly everything 

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 5:11 pm

once again you have missed the point, i was pointing out your necroing, not your replying. just being curious, why didnt you reply 15 days ago? why save it that long?

your opinion is not known fact. known fact is that the sky is blue. twilight sucks is my opinion.

i said you cant speak to what is in my mind, which you cant you never will be over a forum. you know very little of what is in my mind, not enough to allow you to speak of my thoughts. if u want to tell me something, try argue against my points, those you will find clearly in my post.

things that are wrong: 1) your points.

hardly everything 

You didnt add anything in that post other than your wrong and offered no reason as to why the only purpose seemed to be to get the last word in, well since you didnt actually explain anything ill leave it be gg.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 5:46 pm

Kestrel, I hope you learned your lesson about arguing with Myles.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 8:41 pm

Omfg you guys ....

  Myles, stop taking the bait and just don't argue.

posted on March 23rd, 2011, 8:47 pm

lol crazy guys makes my day reading throught pages and pages of thing like this lol