Platforms

posted on March 6th, 2011, 8:13 pm

Stop arguing over EVERYTHING. 

posted on March 6th, 2011, 8:18 pm

Stop arguing over EVERYTHING.  

stop trying to bark orders

and if u dont want to be corrected, dont post your points in a forum, a forum is a crucible where debate will burn away that which is incorrect and leave you with the truth LOLCATS



if u dont want discussion on what you say then there are places on the internet for that too. a blog springs to mind.

posted on March 6th, 2011, 8:22 pm

This is a forum, not a point-counterpoint pundit show.


   It's obnoxious to see lots of people sharing their feelings and ideas with one person seemingly dedicated to disassembling and refuting every minute detail they put forth.  It's bad joo-joo for the many new people that have started playing fleetops.

   Yes, I disagree with people and sometimes make multiple quotes of a person's post.  I do NOT, however, arbitrarily continue with arguments over mundane details with no clear objective.

   Except this one .... EDIT (And with Dom )

posted on March 6th, 2011, 8:27 pm

This is a forum, not a point-counterpoint pundit show.


   It's obnoxious to see lots of people sharing their feelings and ideas with one person seemingly dedicated to disassembling and refuting every minute detail they put forth.  It's bad joo-joo for the many new people that have started playing fleetops.

   Yes, I disagree with people and sometimes make multiple quotes of a person's post.  I do NOT, however, arbitrarily continue with arguments over mundane details with no clear objective.

   Except this one .... EDIT (And with Dom )

+1


no

+1000000000000000

posted on March 6th, 2011, 9:16 pm

   Except this one .... EDIT (And with Dom )

Good man 

posted on March 6th, 2011, 10:05 pm

posted on March 6th, 2011, 10:08 pm

This is a forum, not a point-counterpoint pundit show.

this is a forum, and debate is part of a forum, so nurr back at ya  :woot:

   Yes, I disagree with people and sometimes make multiple quotes of a person's post.  I do NOT, however, arbitrarily continue with arguments over mundane details with no clear objective.

   Except this one .... EDIT (And with Dom )

lol do you acutally believe this is the only argument you have had on the forum? you are different from me though, u dont debate with points and reason, u usually just repeat your point but in caps hoping that it improves the quality of your argument. you have plenty of arugments, which is ok, as a forum is a place for discussion.

and i dont refute everyone's points, i only refute the ones i disagree with, i just dont make a post saying "i agree with what you say and have nothing else to say" for every point any person ever makes.

lol @kestrel, loads of your posts have been "quote wars" (as boggz put it), nearly all with me (thats how i know most of your posts are of this kind). so i dont know what you are talking about

posted on March 6th, 2011, 11:39 pm

Just chill out.

  You might find that you don't always to attempt to prove your FleetOps prowess by correcting people.


   

posted on March 6th, 2011, 11:43 pm

Just chill out.

why do assume i am angry lol?

i dont debate to prove prowess, i debate because i enjoy it, and a forum is a place for debate, also i dont like seeing things that i think are incorrect, i'm always happy to be corrected, as if nobody corrects my mistakes, i'll keep making them.

posted on March 7th, 2011, 12:33 am

All,
A forum is a place for open discussion.  Debate and discussion are similar, yet different concepts.  As you get more experienced with life, you learn that sometimes it is best to ignore a comment or thought rather than disputing it.  Even when the thought is blatantly wrong.  This strategy encourages the other side to continue discussing new ideas rather than focusing on that which has already been stated.  Also, meetings, forums, and other social discussion areas are benefited greatly by diversity of thought.  When one point of view, regardless of how right it may be, comes to dominate, the whole may be diminished.

Interestingly, Dom is pretty good at balancing this in many of his posts even though he has so many.

Regarding quoting...
Quoting can make it easier to respond in a post but often adds a hint of superiority and can be considered mildly offensive by many.  This is why you do not see email quoting in many business emails (at least in the US).  It is one of the relationship management strategies to ensure there is a dialogue and not a debate.  Remember, to many, a debate is more about proving your point is better supported than coming to a solution.  Debate generally inspires the thought of a zero sum game while a discussion inspires the image of "expanding the pie" if you will.

posted on March 7th, 2011, 1:30 am

Well put, sir

posted on March 7th, 2011, 9:09 am

Miles and I aren't believing that we are superior, we just believe that we're right. And we were either talking of the new turret idea or game balance in general we didn't go into small talk or anything like that. it's just a friendly debate on whether or not we have extra turrets for the Roms.

about the "Quote Warz"    e.g:
Hey i ........... and ;;;;;;;;;; but !!!!!!! also §§§§§§§§
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But liked ........... I hated ;;;;;;;;;; what do you think of $$$$$
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You forgot !!!!!!! and §§§§§§§
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Sorry I didn't have enough time to go through that.
 

posted on March 7th, 2011, 9:30 am

There is a difference between friendly debate and arbitrary argument.  I didn't mention you, Admiral because you're relatively new here.  Myles, however, has a habit of taking apart things other people say that he personally disagrees with and harping on it relentlessly.

  I chimed in uninvited to suggest that he re-think that habit.  I feel it is a very visible indication to new FleetOps players that their ideas and suggestions will be met with .... whatever you wanna call what he does.

posted on March 7th, 2011, 9:50 am

whatever you wanna call what he does.

That would be "disparaging dismantling of a conflicting opinion in a pretentious and overbearing manner".

Seriously, this is still going on? I'm glad that this kind of posting has been largely reduced in the replay thread, and I can only speak for myself here, but I believe that the people who were expressing their frustration with it over there were hoping to see such unconstructive posting disappear from the board/community completely, not just that topic.

And really...platforms? We're still clawing throats out over platforms? Do we form a lynch mob next time Ray mentions penguins and Galaxy-class separation?

posted on March 7th, 2011, 10:24 am

All,
A forum is a place for open discussion.  Debate and discussion are similar, yet different concepts.

that is correct, but a forum is a place for both.

When one point of view, regardless of how right it may be, comes to dominate, the whole may be diminished.

i'd hate to think that my point of view is dominating without rational debate. but if u say something wrong in a forum, expect people to debate it.

Regarding quoting... 

i can see how it would seem offensive to quote people and can seem back and forth, but when forming a multi point post it is usually necessary to include quotes, because it can get messy and hard to read if u just make walls of text with no reference to what part of the debate each paragraph is about. by quoting people i have no intension of offending them, simply making it clear which part of their post i am talking about.

i disagree with your assessment of a debate as a zero sum game, look at many of the debates between tyler and i, they end in "agree to disagree". but both of us usually have a good understanding of the opposing viewpoint. the best debates are ones where nobody wins, but both learn.

Miles and I aren't believing that we are superior, we just believe that we're right. And we were either talking of the new turret idea or game balance in general we didn't go into small talk or anything like that. it's just a friendly debate on whether or not we have extra turrets for the Roms.

i'm glad you didnt take any of my debate as offensive, as it definitely wasnt meant as such. oh and you spelt my name wrong

There is a difference between friendly debate and arbitrary argument.  I didn't mention you, Admiral because you're relatively new here.  Myles, however, has a habit of taking apart things other people say that he personally disagrees with and harping on it relentlessly.

  I chimed in uninvited to suggest that he re-think that habit.  I feel it is a very visible indication to new FleetOps players that their ideas and suggestions will be met with .... whatever you wanna call what he does.

i think what i am doing is debate. if u dont debate on things you "personally disagree with" then what else are you supposed to debate on? i dont know what anyone else believe's but myself, i dont know everyone elses position, so i have to take my own side in a debate.

and im sorry you think im "harping on", if u dont like the length of my debates, you are free not to read them. debates sometimes take a lot of time. it depends on the level of detail we consider important, and it appears i consider a higher level of detail to be important than you do.

i hope sincerely that new posters arent put off by seeing heated debate, all are welcome, and i attack only points.

That would be "disparaging dismantling of a conflicting opinion in a pretentious and overbearing manner".

dismantling a conflicting opinion is the purpose of debate.

disparaging is definitely not what i'm aiming for. do i think i'm correct on what i debate on? yes, if i thought i was wrong i would join the other side and the debate would be over . pretentious and overbearing, i dont believe i am these things, please explain why you think i am these things?