Heavy Plasma Torpedose

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 3:56 am

There are 8 quantum and photon tubes on a Sovereign in addition to the ventral rapid fire turret:

http://www.ditl.org/index.htm?daymain=/hedarticle.php?5

DITL comes up with a salvo strength of 37, which is a VERY conservative estimate. In any case, these salvos would take 3 seconds or less to fire, reload, and be ready to fire again.

I've also assumed that all the photon tubes have been upgraded to quantum capability, which seems reasonable if Starfleet had begun mass-production of quantums. In any case, you're looking at 4 quantums a second plus 8 triple-firing photon tubes cycling every 2 seconds or so, for a grand total of 14 torps per second sustained firing rate.

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 7:44 am

But if u have like 5 negh vars and they all fireing at the sovie at once, it will be gone in a matter of seconds too

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 9:13 am

I think tis a good idea

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 11:43 am

Actually the Enterprise subtype would be the second edition, given it has bigger impulse engines, cloak detecting sensors, and a new targetting system. Lakota would be the third generation.

that could be considered a general upgrade, the Lakota was tampered with so much that it was able to cause a lot of trouble to the Defiant.

It seems logical that the dorsal weapon pod could be upgraded to burst-firing quantum capability.

why? its only pulse fire as it is. & the fact it has about 15 of these pulse fire tubes means it has quite alot of firepower as it is, i doubt starfleet would tamper with this design, only to decrease the number of tubes overall just to give it quantums in the weapons pod.

There are 8 quantum and photon tubes on a Sovereign in addition to the ventral rapid fire turret:

http://www.ditl.org/index.htm?daymain=/hedarticle.php?5

DITL comes up with a salvo strength of 37, which is a VERY conservative estimate. In any case, these salvos would take 3 seconds or less to fire, reload, and be ready to fire again.

I've also assumed that all the photon tubes have been upgraded to quantum capability, which seems reasonable if Starfleet had begun mass-production of quantums

you seem to assume alot since when have you ever seen quantums on a soveriegn being fired from anywhere other than the turret? in first contact the quantums were fired openly, but only from the turret. In nemesis, the quantums were fire only from the turret, even when they had forced the scimitar to decloak, photons were fired from the other tubes when it was outside the turret's firing arc. now this is either because the burst fire tubes aren't big enough to fire the quantums or it doesn't have enough quantums to equip the other tubes, either way these "statistics" you have come up with don't mean anything :geek:

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 2:54 pm

I acknowledged that all the integral tubes fire photons. I just said it seems like they could be upgraded in the future. And the 14 per second number still stands, if the integral tubes really are only triple fire. If they're really type 4 burst the number is more like 28 per second.

Also, the Akira's weapon pod has 7 pulse fire photon tubes. These could at the very least be converted to 7 pulse fire quantum, like the defiant has, and maybe 2 or 3 type 4 burst quantums would fit in there too. Even 2 burst tubes would have much more firepower than 7 pulse tubes.

[Cpt Ryan]

posted on August 2nd, 2005, 3:03 pm

Last edited by Cpt Ryan on August 2nd, 2005, 3:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Also, the Akira's weapon pod has 7 pulse fire photon tubes. These could at the very least be converted to 7 pulse fire quantum, like the defiant has, and maybe 2 or 3 type 4 burst quantums would fit in there too. Even 2 burst tubes would have much more firepower than 7 pulse tubes.

more likely they would just leave the akira as it is cos it hasn't performed half bad, they would focus on the prometheus and and any newer designs, that may be initially capable of using quantums. and i don't think quantums are in mass production, at least not on the standards that starfleet would like them to be.

for the sovie, yeah whatever, still don't think it would outgun 4 or 5 warbirds/negh'vars. tell me.. whats the fire power of a warbird. and how quickly did the IKS Negh'var take down the shields of DS9.

posted on August 3rd, 2005, 1:15 am

Hehe this is fun. I totally agree with you that if Starfleet has limited resources they would concentrate them into new combat ships instead of refitting old combat ships, they seem to have a history of designing all new classes where refitting would do the job as well.

As far as the firepower of a warbird, it's terrible. From TNG we know that a warbird has about 60-70% of the weapons of a pre-dominion war Galaxy. These ships also took a heavy beating in the Dom War, almost half the warbirds engaged were destroyed.

If we're talking Norexan warbirds, we can infer from Nemesis that a Sovereign can easily handle 2 of them (comparing the beatings they took from the Scimitar in such short order compared to the E-E)

Martok's Neghvar that took down DS9's shields used its planetary bombardment type 18 disruptors. It's up to argument whether these weapons can effectively target a ship even as large as a Sovereign ^_^

posted on August 3rd, 2005, 1:32 am

Martok's Neghvar that took down DS9's shields used its planetary bombardment type 18 disruptors. It's up to argument whether these weapons can effectively target a ship even as large as a Sovereign ^_^

they don't rely on any targeting system like a torpedo, so i reckon that even 1 negh'var would land some hits, even if lucky then voila sovie shields are gone, another lucky hit and its crippled