Dominion Dreadnaught availability/Dom lack of proper artille

posted on September 7th, 2010, 10:24 am

artillery doenst always need arty range.

dominion are fine at arty bombing stuff.

the main thing u use arty for is clearing buildings out of the way.

that means turrets usually.

bomber with its special will murder them. bomber special does triple damage to turrets.

just like the intrep, even though it's short range normally, its special makes it a turret killer.

also the c17 with its pink beam of death has a passive which makes it crush turrets, so its pink beam is even more useful.

rom tavara and dread are fine. rom can make only 1 or 2 tavara depending on avatar. as dominion you could make several breen battleships and use their specials to crush the tavara(s) systems. and crush them totally.

or as pure u can make a mix of big yard ships. use c17 specials a lot. and v13 special deals direct hull damage, which is nice. you dont need a dread to beat a tavara.

dom dread only appeared when they were involved with a war, where they could steal some tech and use it to build a nicer ship. i like the dom dread's position.

also as cortez said, the hsa is dirty cheap and mobile and fires every minute nearly. its an awesome arty weapon. if the enemy sits still, u bombard them over and over. if they try get your hsa, your fleet can crush them on your terms.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 3:55 pm

dom dread only appeared when they were involved with a war, where they could steal some tech and use it to build a nicer ship. i like the dom dread's position.

I agree with this; we know nothing about it's development, and some alient tech could have been thrown into the mix. Including the Federation/Romulan tech from the ships they killed in the Gamma Quadrent before the war.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 5:12 pm

You could be right, but then again you could be wrong. I can't really say, especially when I'm one of the people that would say Star Trek Armada II is fine as it is, it just needs many more ships for all the races and the races that we are more familiar with, it needs a campagin that combines all the racs involved in the game either against a commom fow (the Dominion Alliance and or the Borg, or even an entirely different race, how about the Remans and the Son'a for instance). Both Star Trek Armada I and Star Trek Armada II didn't do this at all and we all have the chance to change that.  That is why each race should be involved and also be as strong as they truely are with all their rightful ships (if they don't supposed to have a repair ship then they don't deserve it and so on and so forth). If this type of thing makes the game unbalanced and the tides of power not even then that's alright.

I'm saying stock A2 and other RTS's are ok...but there is no challenge in teching up and spamming the end units.  FO was designed around making an RTS that gets away from that overly popular theme.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:03 pm

Referring to the klingon artillery comment...

Only one avatar has artillery...the treacherous, cowardly, Orion-kissing, Romulan-admiring, p'taq of a Duros, Taq'roja.  She's not a Klingon, she's a dabo girl with delusions of grandeur.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:08 pm

dominion mixed tech chonaq is arty range.

sang also serves as arty sometimes due to long range and torps.

also its duras not duros 

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:11 pm

Artillery itself isn't dishonorable, relying exclusivly on it to avoid getting your hands dirty would fit the criteria better.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:14 pm

Referring to the klingon artillery comment...

Only one avatar has artillery...the treacherous, cowardly, Orion-kissing, Romulan-admiring, p'taq of a Duros, Taq'roja.  She's not a Klingon, she's a dabo girl with delusions of grandeur.

Hey! TaQ'roja is still a Klingon - in fact she thinks she's more of a Klingon then her compatriots (the weak Martok relying on the Federation  >:( )! She just is more lenient when it comes to the "rules"... she'll poison you, but she wants to watch you die right in front of her  >:D

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:20 pm

Referring to the klingon artillery comment...

Only one avatar has artillery...the treacherous, cowardly, Orion-kissing, Romulan-admiring, p'taq of a Duros, Taq'roja.  She's not a Klingon, she's a dabo girl with delusions of grandeur.

thats not right,markok gains Artillery Range Cho naQ from mixed tech....

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:23 pm

your right,Dominion have soom good shit for siege but not one proper artillery unit.if have semi- good or bigger knowledge about klingons nature and  dominion,you would see how unfair it is to give two artillery units to klings and not one for dominion from mixed tech.

[dob]

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:26 pm

Last edited by dob on September 7th, 2010, 6:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I agree with this; we know nothing about it's development, and some alient tech could have been thrown into the mix. Including the Federation/Romulan tech from the ships they killed in the Gamma Quadrent before the war.

we dont know anything about development of many other ships but you dont need mixed tech to build them.besides that FO set in time after dominion war,that makes your theory wrong,they already have all the tech needed for dreadnaught production

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:38 pm

Hmm. With the Hyperspace artillery Dominion got one of the best artilleries in game for ridiculous costs, I don't see the problem. Bombers with long range are also useful as small artillery. I don't see why Dominion would be an artillery oriented faction canonwise, Bugs are always very close(even if they don't want to collide), Breen get that close before firing that they are nearly destroyed before they can do so, Cardies have beams only, so the only ship which could perhaps be an arty ship is the dreadnought as we saw it in Valiant - torp mass that didn't hit on close range.

If Rom builds a tavara, you don't need a Dread to counter it necessarily, the time a rom needs for a tavara you may build a whole fleet! (it's the other way round, too)
The build time for Bugs is slow compared to similar ships(59 sec compared to 76sec for B'rel), representing the things we heard about Dom on the shows. If you want to mass Dom ships build two or three yards and go for it .

Hyperspace is pretty good but too limited,friendly fire,slow and useless aggaist most of other ships.and its DPS cant compare with spam of any true artillery unit.Strenght is in numbers.I dont have any problem with tavara,8 or more s-2 own it.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:44 pm

4 posts in a row? why dont u edit?

also u seem unwilling to listen to the fact that the dominion have awesome arty. they have the best arty in fact, the cheap hsa that doesnt even need a yard and does huge damage every minute and can strike from huge distances and did i mention it's cheap?

bombers have a special that makes them murder turrets.

the c-17 is both an all round good ship, AND a great way to kill stations. c-17s are never bad, they have a great amount of awesome weapons.

thats three different ways i've listed to bombard from a distance.

you obviously havnt seen a hsa or two smash a fleet.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:48 pm

thats right but we dont know anything about development of many other ships but you dont need mixed tech to build them.

The difference is the team decided to put the Dreadnought as a MT, but not the others. Probably because the others are unlikely to have been built with stolen tech since that rarely ever happens in Trek (the Federation doesn't normally steal, while the others are too proud or arrogant), and is what the MT exclusives are for.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:51 pm

Listen to Myles, dob.

The dominion are THE race for breaking through stationary defenses.

posted on September 7th, 2010, 6:53 pm

The difference is the team decided to put the Dreadnought as a MT, but not the others. Probably because the others are unlikely to have been built with stolen tech since that rarely ever happens in Trek (the Federation doesn't normally steal, while the others are too proud or arrogant), and is what the MT exclusives are for.

Borgs steals like Jem'Hadar hooker in new york without ketracel & money  :whistling: