Why Veteran Cap

posted on December 14th, 2010, 6:48 pm

Also... imagine what would happen if a romulan player wouldn't have to worry about caps at all. Spamming Tavaras late-game and getting around 5 of them to veteran; Have fun, opponent, have fun... 

posted on December 14th, 2010, 9:28 pm

I'm pretty confident real life disagrees with you Kestrel. How many McArthurs or Pattons do you know? And how many Nelsons? 

Huge well known deeds is not all not all that makes a hero so im pretty sure real life disagrees with you, that or you dont know the true definition of a hero.

If a man is stuck dieing under a truck and his friend picks that truck up with super human strengh and saves his friends life does that not make him a hero? or if a man/woman see two children burning in a fire and runs in and rescues them does that not make them a hero?

Im not sure if iv grasped what you mean as it was very vague but there is more to being a hero than being well known or defeating a fleet of navy ships and saving a country.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 9:40 pm

My point was that while McArthur and Patton might be considered heroes to some, they are more just individuals with a lot of experience. Whereas someone like Nelson was considered a hero for his actions and deeds. There is maybe some difference between being a good Samaritan, and risking life, liberty, and country (perhaps)  . The question for you is, if you have this "super human strength" and only pick up a car, doesn't that make you not that much of a hero, when you could be using those abilities for other things? In fact, that might make you a selfish person! 

When you said this:

A vet is a combat experience person or crew, which is why there is confusion on the cap since anyone that has enough combat experience is naturally a vet and in turn a hero.

You note that you are saying that everyone once they gain experience should be a vet, but not everybody in the military who is experienced is considered a Nelson in fact.

If it's arguable, then I think the vast majority of us are fine with the current system, especially as it matches with common sense and game balancing. . That's all I'll say though - I think the logic stands for itself.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 9:42 pm

Every man in the service of their country is a hero but only a few are awarded the congressional metal of honor and even fewer are alive when they receive it.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 9:48 pm

That's an extraordinarily dangerous line of logic.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 9:53 pm

The troops that were rounding up civilians to shoot in afghanistan?  Not heroes.  The marines in japan that went out raping?  Not heroes.

Broad generalizations are bad.

And that's without touching on more infamous examples.

Now, Admiral John Paul Jones?  Hero.  Bloody madman, but he drove his ship through a minefield to save another ship that was going to be lost otherwise.  'Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!'

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:14 pm

My point was that while McArthur and Patton might be considered heroes to some, they are more just individuals with a lot of experience. Whereas someone like Nelson was considered a hero for his actions and deeds. There is maybe some difference between being a good Samaritan, and risking life, liberty, and country (perhaps)  . The question for you is, if you have this "super human strength" and only pick up a car, doesn't that make you not that much of a hero, when you could be using those abilities for other things? In fact, that might make you a selfish person! 

When you said this:You note that you are saying that everyone once they gain experience should be a vet, but not everybody in the military who is experienced is considered a Nelson in fact.

If it's arguable, then I think the vast majority of us are fine with the current system, especially as it matches with common sense and game balancing. . That's all I'll say though - I think the logic stands for itself.

Your going off topic with your first paragraph, and when i said super human strength i just meant a show of it not some sort of super hero and that is based on a true story of 2 british soldiers in afganistan, a soldier was trapped under an over turned mastiff truck and his friend while under fire managed to lift the truck off him and free him, these trucks weigh almost 20 tonnes.

My point is heroes are born every day and people show them selves to be heros everyday to limit veteran ships because heroes are rare is stupid because that is totaly untrue in every respect, to limit them for balances issues is not.

To be named a hero you do not need to be compared to the deeds of others, only by your own actions.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:18 pm

Ok point taken silemt/dom i would say that wanting to serve your country and going out and doing is worthy of being called a hero, even if some people cant take the pressure and crack.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:21 pm

It's a job - it has risks that may be less dangerous than some jobs, and more than others, but it's still a job. Working in a coal mine is necessarily for the survival of this country, and it's certainly quite dangerous. You can be in the military and not necessarily want to serve your country - the pay is decent, the benefits are good, and you get to play with guns and go to the Bahamas (if you read the propaganda brochures) 

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:30 pm

Think of the FO veterans as being like Chuck Norris; every once in a while, a crew comes along that's just better than everyone else and nobody can stand a chance.

Or you could think of all your ships as like the Immortals from Highlander; they fight and gain power from killing each other, but in the end, there can be only one twenty.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:31 pm

It's a job - it has risks that may be less dangerous than some jobs, and more than others, but it's still a job. Working in a coal mine is necessarily for the survival of this country, and it's certainly quite dangerous. You can be in the military and not necessarily want to serve your country - the pay is decent, the benefits are good, and you get to play with guns and go to the Bahamas (if you read the propaganda brochures) 

You cant compare joining the army,saving lives and protecting people to working in a coal mine... altho just joining up doesnt automatically make you a hero and is a step in that direction.

Coal doesnt shoot at you, anyway this topic is running into difficult ground and there are so many arguments to this question of wether being a soldier makes you a hero or not that theres no point starting one, but i think i made my point about the question regarding vets/heroes.

But i do think that if your country is ever invaded and all that stands between you and a bullet is your army you might think differently about calling soldiers heroes.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:39 pm

And who's doing the invading? THEY are military too 

The next time you turn on your computer and type a message, think what let that be possible.

The military gets plenty of special treatment already, while you don't even bat an eye of thinking about the other jobs which make our existence possible. I guess private contractors should be awarded the same line as military, as should policemen, firefighters, CERN electricians etc - they are all living with the fear of stuff destroying them at a moment's notice

posted on December 14th, 2010, 10:53 pm

And who's doing the invading? THEY are military too 

The next time you turn on your computer and type a message, think what let that be possible.

The military gets plenty of special treatment already, while you don't even bat an eye of thinking about the other jobs which make our existence possible. I guess private contractors should be awarded the same line as military, as should policemen, firefighters, CERN electricians etc - they are all living with the fear of stuff destroying them at a moment's notice

Like i said there are alot of reason for and agaisnt calling military personel heroes but remember that alot of cops are called heroes for no good reason at all yet with the military its debatable.

posted on December 14th, 2010, 11:04 pm

Just because you have a weapon (because it seems to no longer be about being put in harms way) isn't a reason for special treatment (contrary to Heileinian logos). The majority of the military organization is bureaucratic or non-combat for instance. It's a job, and people have various reasons for doing their job and staying with their job.

posted on December 15th, 2010, 1:22 am

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