Sovereign once again...

posted on July 9th, 2009, 5:14 pm

Adm. Zaxxon:

The Sovereign is definitely more cost effective an Excelsior II: in fact ALL higher tech vessels are more cost effective than their lower tech vessels because that is how the Dev team balanced FO--if you don't believe me, here is a very basic breakdown:

For Mayson: Excelsior 80 combined value of def/off/sys / (combined cost dil/tri 927) = 0.0863
For Mayson: Sovereign 100 combined value / 1150 = 0.0842

Clearly more cost effective. In terms of offense, yes, Mayson's gives a very sligh bit more offense per cost then the Sovereign, but for weaker system and defense. Even though the Sovereigns ability seems to do nothing against the Borg, it gives all your ships the chance to slow down that wall of ships and fight them away from your mining. Plus, it gives your Intrepids more chances to fire their tricobalt torpedoes.

The Remores primary ability (Precise Volley) does nothing against the Borg either--does that make the vessel useless? Heck, the Borg's Devastating Attack does nothing agains the Borg--I guess the Borg need rebalancing!

Please be realistic.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 5:18 pm

I like the fact that certain special weapons do nothing or are less effective against certain races. It adds to the fun and realism.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 5:22 pm

On another note, speaking of special weapons. I have noticed that the Remore is much less effective in combat since the 3.0.7 patch. And it's support abilities don't seem to be as effective as before either. I don't remember... did Remore's get changed for 3.0.7. maybe it's just me but I hardly even build them anymore because they just get toasted in no time whereas before they seemed to hold their own.

Dominus_Noctis

Dev Team

posted on July 9th, 2009, 5:27 pm

Remores are actually much more effective now (well, depending on how you view it) :lol:

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The only thing that was changed was the Precise Volley ability I believe--now it actually does shield damage, rather than shorting out the shields for a short while. Thus, they don't have to be as persistently micromanaged, as using the Precise Volley on one target isn't such a waste usually

On a similar note... always the Federation that gets the most complaints: funny how that works :rolleyes:

posted on July 9th, 2009, 5:47 pm

Dominus_Noctis wrote:Remores are actually much more effective now (well, depending on how you view it) !
The only thing that was changed was the Precise Volley ability I believe--now it actually does shield damage, rather than shorting out the shields for a short while. Thus, they don't have to be as persistently micromanaged, as using the Precise Volley on one target isn't such a waste usually

On a similar note... always the Federation that gets the most complaints: funny how that works

Yah, I play Fed's alot so thats why I comment alot on their stuff. In General I think since the Federation is the most developed Race with the most robust Canon reference material, so there are alot of opinions as to their look and feel.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:00 pm

Dominus_Noctis wrote:Adm. Zaxxon:

The Sovereign is definitely more cost effective an Excelsior II: in fact ALL higher tech vessels are more cost effective than their lower tech vessels because that is how the Dev team balanced FO--if you don't believe me, here is a very basic breakdown:

Well, I mean that you rarely ever even get to sovereigns. The acs is a great weapon, the excelsior is cheap(ish) and has long range, and requires only second level chaises. It also builds fast enough to be spamed. I prefer several excelsiors to the time and resources it takes to get one sovereign. This is just my opinion, and I may be wrong, but it works against AI very well.

I still think the sovereign needs more of an offencive weapon then a weapon that just disables weapons.

Dominus_Noctis

Dev Team

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:07 pm

Hehe, then let me give you a few helping hints then. One, the Excelsior II is available at the start (no Chassis research neaded), two the Engine Overload disables engines and deals quite a bit of damage to all fast and small units. :sweatdrop:

Yes the ACS is indeed very good, but Risner doesn't get one, and her Sovereign is much more powerful due to the increase in system stats. The Sovereign is an end game unit--like it is supposed to be. This is like talking about how often the Klingons get Negh'vars, or the Romies get D'deridexes or the Dominion gets S-7 Defenders etc

. End game units are vary rarely put into play and you will see very few numbers of them if all plans go well. However, they pack a significant punch when introduced.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:14 pm

it is an end game unit, but it doesn't help you end the game in your favor.

Oh, and I didn't know about the chassies. I just never build the second yard until after I am at that point any way.

And like I said, the weapon isn't very helpful end game, if it is only best against small ships. And it stinks against the borg. :borg:

Any way, I don't use it very much just because it isn't worth it for me.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:19 pm

Adm. Zaxxon wrote:it is an end game unit, but it doesn't help you end the game in your favor.

Oh, and I didn't know about the chassies. I just never build the second yard until after I am at that point any way.

And like I said, the weapon isn't very helpful end game, if it is only best against small ships. And it stinks against the borg. Any way, I don't use it very much just because it isn't worth it for me.

I tend to agree with you ADM.... Defiants are my 'game-ender' of choice. Because Sovereigns are more expensive, the offer the same offensive stats and the Engine overload is not effective against enemy ships in her class... Sure she can mow through destroyers but whats the point if this weapon is ineffective against other battleships, critical shot is much better.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:22 pm

exactally. :thumbsup:

Dominus_Noctis

Dev Team

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:26 pm

I still can't believe that you choose to use Defiants against other battleships... I mean, either Mayson's or Risner's Excelsior II has a better offense vs battleships (33/29 versus ~26: you have to factor in that only 60% damage is incurred with the Defiant). The Sovereign and Defiant compliment each other very well in their special abilities and normal capabilities. The Sovereigns area of effect special takes out little ships (although it halts big ships in their tracks) while its torps do extremely well against stations and battleships. The Defiants pulse weapons do well against little ships, while its special does well against battleships. These are facts, not opinions though, so take it or leave it

posted on July 9th, 2009, 6:30 pm

Dominus_Noctis wrote:I still can't believe that you choose to use Defiants against other battleships... I mean, either Mayson's or Risner's Excelsior II has a better offense vs battleships (33/29 versus ~26: you have to factor in that only 60% damage is incurred with the Defiant). The Sovereign and Defiant compliment each other very well in their special abilities and normal capabilities. The Sovereigns area of effect special takes out little ships (although it halts big ships in their tracks) while its torps do extremely well against stations and battleships. The Defiants pulse weapons do well against little ships, while its special does well against battleships. These are facts, not opinions though, so take it or leave it

Sure in a mixed group anything is more effective... I'm talking pound for pound. Sure, defiant has pulse weapons which may not be as effective against battleships but it gets critical shot that helps... Sovereign Engine Overload is not effective against enemy battleships and she IS a battleship. It may slow them down but that's it. Factor in the fact that Defiant is cheaper and faster... makes sense to me but hey like you said that's my opinion and i'm stickin to it.