Sovereign once again...

posted on July 8th, 2009, 9:49 pm

Hello.
I'm new here and first I'd like to say that this "mod" of yours is the best Star Trek game I've ever played.
Now... I know there have been more than enough discussions about Sovereign not being strong enough etc. Although I agree that it should be stronger, I'm offering another point of view at the problem.
Take these two ships: Sovereign and Defiant, they are both very powerful ships regarding weaponry but which one is more powerful? I think that the Sovereign is the winner here, because it is much bigger, it is newer, it has much more weapons etc. In FO both ships have the same offensive value, but when these ships gain rank and veteran status eventually, the Defiant has higher offensive value than the Sovereign and I think it should be the other way around.
Please don't take this as a criticism. It's just an observation.
(and sorry for my english, it's not my mother tongue)

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:00 pm

I agree, that is strange...And don't worry about your English, it is fine.

There was a proposal to switch the akira's, and the sovereign's special weapon, which I still support.  That could help, but It only really needs a little boost, because it really ruins the federation's late-game.  There is a federation redo planned for the future, so it may clear up any of these small issues.

Welcome to the forums! 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:05 pm

Thanks!
And I agree that a small boost and switching the special weapons would do the job.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:12 pm

The Defiant was intended to be stronger, but they probably forgot to give the Defiant its Offensive boost. 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:18 pm

Well, since the Defiant is a battleship designed to be a battleship, and the Sovereign is an exploration vessel first, it should be fine. Likewise, look at the defensive stats

posted on July 8th, 2009, 10:55 pm

I agree with everything that has been said here.  I don't build Sovy's that much anymore sadly because for the cost the defiant is much more effective in combat. Plain and Simple... If Sovereign got the critical shot like the Defiant or multiple Quantum torpedo launcher like the Descent it would make the difference. The current special weapon for the Sovereign is seemingly too defensive.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:19 pm

I agree with everything that has been said here.  I don't build Sovy's that much anymore sadly because for the cost the defiant is much more effective in combat. Plain and Simple... If Sovereign got the critical shot like the Defiant or multiple Quantum torpedo launcher like the Descent it would make the difference. The current special weapon for the Sovereign is seemingly too defensive.

I much prefer shredding opponents with Defiant squadrons to using Sovereign-class ships for much. I'll build them if I've got some spare resources, but considering Critical Shot and how quickly they can kill destroyers and stations, the Defiant reigns supreme.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:22 pm

I much prefer shredding opponents with Defiant squadrons to using Sovereign-class ships for much. I'll build them if I've got some spare resources, but considering Critical Shot and how quickly they can kill destroyers and stations, the Defiant reigns supreme.

Add to this the fact that the defiant faster than the Sovereign and you have a recipe for disaster for any foe...

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:25 pm

The Defiant is also equipped with Pulse weapons, so in fact it does 40% less damage then the Sovereign against battleships and structures. The Defiant is best used, ironically, for freighter harassment as well as taking out key structures/units with critical shot

posted on July 8th, 2009, 11:28 pm

Works fine against battle ships for me 

posted on July 9th, 2009, 11:32 am

Defiant is a pure warship, but that doesn't mean it is stronger than exploration ships like the Sovereign by default. Just more focused.

posted on July 9th, 2009, 1:53 pm

yep. our idea was, that the Defiant in DS9 toasted quite some stuff with its veterans on board, so we decided to make it an offense beast when leveling up

posted on July 9th, 2009, 3:08 pm

well toasting galors isnt really hard:P
seriosly: the defiant got quite alot firepower, specally for its size. But we saw quite often the lack of very strong shields, so i think it might be good to leave the huge offense increase and reduce the defence boost. Just a thought

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on July 9th, 2009, 3:12 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on July 9th, 2009, 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The defensive boost is smaller... I don't know if it could do with a slight decrease. Veterans never seem to make it this late in the game anywho for me, so getting even one is very nice.
Defiant offense/defense/system: 59/82/19 (24)
Sovereign offense/defense/system: 52/97/23 (28)

posted on July 9th, 2009, 4:49 pm

Naw, the defiant's get picked off easy enough.  No decrease needed.  The soverign lasts long in battle, but can't pull its own weight.  Its ability does almost nothing against borg, who don't move fast to begin with, and it deals out less damage than an excelcior 2(for what the sovie is worth)