Klingons and Rommies...... Plus something else...

posted on October 5th, 2009, 5:48 pm

gamer, please calm down a bit....

surely the rms hve some probs in lategame. but they arent imbalanced.

Imho they are pretty balanced because they can keep up the pressure in a game through the whole game, in earlygame with rhienns, in midgame with generix and in lategame with their glorious warbirds.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 5:48 pm

I have factored all the peices, I looked at all the stuff, I tested it all to my abilities. And I still cannot agree with the idea that the Romulans could possibly be of any strength signifcant enough for be to beat a Dominion AI 1vs1 like i can with the other 'balanced' races.

Honestly, you expect me to agree with you when you are stating you tested with/against the AI? The AI doesn't follow the same rules as a human player, and it cannot even begin to match the tactical prowess of one. You cannot possibly even be able to begin making balance comparison with the AI frankly. For instance, when we played our last game together, I took out two medium AI's and then you--and you were the Federation, while I was Klingon. Does that say anything about balance at all?

The Romulans have plenty of strong end game talents: take for instance the Intelligence Center. Special weapons are their strong point--it isn't just about ships. If it just were about ships being equal matches to eachother, we'd have AII all over again.

Am I the only one that really pays attention to the details of strength and durability instead of going "Ooooo.... pretty ship"!!? The game has good graphix, but I'd rather have a game with not so good graphix with satisfying contents and balance instead of a good lookin game that is so imbalanced that a BoP can blow up a Sovy 1vs1!

I'm not even sure what you are jabbering on about at the end of your post: the game is quite well balanced, and frankly I highly doubt that you are "paying attention to the details of strength and durability" when you state that Shrikes and Rhienns are spammable.... when every other faction minus the Borg can "spam" faster! Likewise you state that Klingons can climb up the tech tree fast--how is that the case at all? You must build 7 stations to reach their top ships! That's almost twice as many as most of the other factions.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 5:52 pm

I cannot beleive I am contradicting myself..............

I think I'm just gonna wait for the devs opinion instead of defending my own opinion which seems to be its own enemy....

posted on October 5th, 2009, 5:54 pm

The Devs are doing a rather large redo of the Klingon and Romulan factions, so either way they will be rather different and more like their show counterparts.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 5:56 pm

For some reason, I'm expecting the complains about Romulans being too strong to increase when they are made like the ones from the show...

posted on October 5th, 2009, 7:30 pm

Yeah.

No one complains about the Feds being overpowered (besides me!), and everyone and their goram cat keep adding suggestions to OP even more the Feds.

But when a faction seems to have a slight edge over the Feds, we get a "The XXXX are over powered" or a "Nerf XXXX" thread.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 7:35 pm

No one complains, because it's a known fact . The hierarchy for the last 2 patches has been

1. Feds
2. Dominion (not counting collision)
3. Romulan/Borg






4. Klingons

Previous to that it was
1. Feds
2. Borg
3. Klingons/Romulans
4. Dominion

posted on October 5th, 2009, 10:33 pm

If you really want to see Stealth Field do something to the AI, keep a D'deridex cloaked with your fleet.  When you reach the battle with the dommiespam, fly it into the midst of the dominion fleet, decloak, and trigger the stealth field.  It'll screw up their targetting.  Beams are still a problem, though.  No misses there, and the Dominion uses plenty of beams.

Serkas are still the solution for AI dommies.  Tightly-packed masses of destroyers and cruisers become so much space dust under that barrage, and you can start it cloaked.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 10:53 pm

Well.

I strongly suggest to make the game more "challenging" by brutally nerfing the Feds. Add more ships, to make choices more confusing. That may appeal to the "we want more pretty ships" faction. Add more stations so for the Federation to be a decent fighting force, they have to spend double than Klingons in labs and research.

If human players tend to choose Federation over other factions, the Federation should be at a disadvantage.

That may have the (desired) effect of moving people away from playing Fed and trying the other races.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 10:58 pm

Add more stations so for the Federation to be a decent fighting force, they have to spend double than Klingons in labs and research.

The Federation is meant to be better at Research than the Klingons, not worse...

I strongly suggest to make the game more "challenging" by brutally nerfing the Feds. Add more ships, to make choices more confusing. That may appeal to the "we want more pretty ships" faction.

If human players tend to choose Federation over other factions, the Federation should be at a disadvantage.

Make the game better by making them suck to be a challenge? Do you want FO or stock A2?

That may have the (desired) effect of moving people away from playing Fed and trying the other races.

A good number already play other races, anyway...

posted on October 5th, 2009, 11:27 pm

A good number already play other races, anyway...

I agree: Feds may be popular as a beginner faction for most folks, but Romies and Dominion tend to get a lot of players, although not too many people like Borg (most of them don't get that they have to play differently than 3.05a and below). Klingons seem to be pretty unfavored, but I think that I've come across a decent number who want to learn how they play. If you go online with the usual folks, usually (at least from what I've seen) you'll find that Feds lead with Romies, Dominion follow, then Borg, and finally poor Klingons.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 11:31 pm

The Federation is meant to be better at Research than the Klingons, not worse...
Make the game better by making them suck to be a challenge? Do you want FO or stock A2?
A good number already play other races, anyway...

1. If the Feds are better at research, it makes sense they have more research stations to build and techs to research than the Klingons. My point exactly.

2. Stock A2 had all factions almost strictly balanced, with approximately the same ships for the same roles. The only difference was the special weapons each faction had. What I'm suggesting is to make the Feds, and only the Feds, closer to strict ST canon. We don't wan't canon Borg or Domnion. At least I don't want it.

3. Not enough, and all human players, myself included, have a soft spot for the Feds. I simply don't allow it to show when I play FO. If existed an Official FO tournament, I'd try that one of the rules would be to play at least one game as each faction. A good FO player should be decent with all factions.

posted on October 5th, 2009, 11:46 pm

Hehe, I have a soft spot for the Romulans, not the Feds . Maybe it's just cuz I love cloak and all of their posturing.

To be honest, a lot of people do just pick random, even if they suck at some of the factions. Off the top of my head I can name 5 players that do just that. Sure, you'd say that isn't enough--but that's about 30% of the regular playing group (people that play nearly every day).

Federation is getting its redo in patch 10 or so to become more canon, so stop making me remind you of that fact!

Borg will also get some much nicer stuff (*cough Command Cube*) that will bring them much closer to "canon".

Klingons have more research stations because they are more inefficient, not less. The Federation can do parallel research because they have excellent scientists.

posted on October 6th, 2009, 12:00 am

I almost always pick random in online matches when I go on.  I'm usually praying to get to deploy my precious Vorcha, or a Sphere, but the randomizer seems to love to give me Dominion. 

posted on October 6th, 2009, 12:14 am

That's because deep down you love to play Dominion, and the computer knows this.  For the Founders!

Although I admit an early game sphere is a guilty pleasure as well.