Descent class

posted on March 20th, 2009, 2:27 am

well i do believe that he was killed so if the borg can just throw him into that shaft...

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:29 am

lol. what does that even mean?

a force storm and all the ships are gone. guess his limits suffice to end the endless borg lol

How many do you have to kill to stop them? You can't kill enough before he tires (like any other mortal) and they just keep coming.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 3:45 am

How many do you have to kill to stop them? You can't kill enough before he tires (like any other mortal) and they just keep coming.

do u even know how a force storm works.

tires? lol.

the storm engulfs fleets of ships and is constantly controlled by him until it wipes out all in sight.
he only lost control of it when luke and lei both joined against him.

so the tiring bit is now simply digging for something to say in a lost argument.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 4:30 am

Hold on people, we've already got a thread for ST vs SW... no need for another pointless one. We ALL know who would win. Yeah, that's right, of course the--oops gotta go 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 12:23 pm

@ Dircome: I doubt your testing methods too.

Ray, we can't have all the ships with the same stats, some ships are stronger, some are weaker. The feds ships are weaker, get over it. If all the the ships would have similar stats would be pretty boring, don't you think ? If this will happen, I will shift+delete the game and install vanilla A2. Or not... 

1. I agree complety, that ships need to be different. I dont want back to stock A2.

2. However as stated before, the Federation is not the "Zerg spam" race, not in cannon and not in game. If Federation has to be played like the Zerg to win, there is no point in playing then.

3. The Sovereign is useless at the moment. You dont get enough for its long build time and highly cost. I said it before, too: Either reduce the cost considerable, or more preferably make it worth the money. I dont have a problem with a Sov costing 1000 - if I get a ship that is worth it.

In Star Trek, the Sovereign was a very expensive ship, even more expensive than the Galaxy. So making them something more expensive would not hurt imo.

The Descent is intented as a meatshield, a job it does acceptable.

The problem with Federation is, they dont have a ship to punch trough the enemies line. The Romulans have the Tavara (a better meatshield), but more important, they have the ships to punch through the lines the Tavara is opening. Feds dont - and that is why they are in open retreat once the big guys start to play.

OFF TOPIC:

I have more and more the feeling that Federation is not a popular race choice in this forum. People seem to play mostly the other races and start to yell at any ideas that might stop them from using the Feds as easy prey.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 12:53 pm

"Zerg spam" in FO are Klingons, not Feds. Feds don't have a powerful battle ship because Feds don't believe in war. They have better shields, thus their ships last longer in a battle. Use ECM from remore class to decrease hit chance of the enemy. Use sensor blackout from canaveral class to decrease the fire rate of the enemy ships.
  As Optec said in another thread, the special weapon of sovereign and akira will be switched, a move that will probably fix the weakness of sovereign class.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 1:11 pm

@ Dircome: I doubt your testing methods too.


1. I agree complety, that ships need to be different. I dont want back to stock A2.

2. However as stated before, the Federation is not the "Zerg spam" race, not in cannon and not in game. If Federation has to be played like the Zerg to win, there is no point in playing then.

3. The Sovereign is useless at the moment. You dont get enough for its long build time and highly cost. I said it before, too: Either reduce the cost considerable, or more preferably make it worth the money. I dont have a problem with a Sov costing 1000 - if I get a ship that is worth it.

In Star Trek, the Sovereign was a very expensive ship, even more expensive than the Galaxy. So making them something more expensive would not hurt imo.

The Descent is intented as a meatshield, a job it does acceptable.

The problem with Federation is, they dont have a ship to punch trough the enemies line. The Romulans have the Tavara (a better meatshield), but more important, they have the ships to punch through the lines the Tavara is opening. Feds dont - and that is why they are in open retreat once the big guys start to play.

OFF TOPIC:

I have more and more the feeling that Federation is not a popular race choice in this forum. People seem to play mostly the other races and start to yell at any ideas that might stop them from using the Feds as easy prey.

How many ways are there to test something you start a single player game press contr-e put 2 descents out there and one tavara, whats not to understand. Appreanly you guys have to see it to believe it so ill try to take a video next time. 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 5:37 pm

The Sovereign is useless at the moment. You dont get enough for its long build time and highly cost. I said it before, too: Either reduce the cost considerable, or more preferably make it worth the money. I dont have a problem with a Sov costing 1000 - if I get a ship that is worth it.

the sov can always find some use in my fleet. If u say it's useless maybe u just can't figure out how to use it.

i can't understand why the feds need to have the best ship in every class. they already have akiras, sabers, defiants, and so on. Why the best battlecruiser also need to be fed? this is silly imo as feds r already the strongest in the game.

posted on March 21st, 2009, 3:42 pm

"Zerg spam" in FO are Klingons, not Feds. Feds don't have a powerful battle ship because Feds don't believe in war. They have better shields, thus their ships last longer in a battle. Use ECM from remore class to decrease hit chance of the enemy. Use sensor blackout from canaveral class to decrease the fire rate of the enemy ships.
  As Optec said in another thread, the special weapon of sovereign and akira will be switched, a move that will probably fix the weakness of sovereign class.

In theory you are right, however in game this is simply not the case.


They dont have more powerful shields (or the difference is so minor, that is does not matter)

They dont last longer in battle.

The special abilites you refer to, are only useful for a relative short ammount of time. They do not compensate enough for the overall weakness.

the sov can always find some use in my fleet. If u say it's useless maybe u just can't figure out how to use it.

i can't understand why the feds need to have the best ship in every class. they already have akiras, sabers, defiants, and so on. Why the best battlecruiser also need to be fed? this is silly imo as feds r already the strongest in the game.

Not at all. I agree that the Defiant is a very good ship - but most other Fed ships are to weak for their expensive price.

[tom]

posted on March 22nd, 2009, 12:33 am

Last edited by tom on March 22nd, 2009, 12:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

Not at all. I agree that the Defiant is a very good ship - but most other Fed ships are to weak for their expensive price.

i'm so happy i can be of assistance:

saber = the best harassment ship. maybe 2nd best after rhienn but still.
intrepid = 19off 24def with sa that does damage for 370d/130t. pretty good light cruiser.
akira = no comment needed.
newton = as above.
canaveral = sa which is a battle winner.
excelsion2 = long range, fast, v nice sa for 620d/180t. with sa it's the best heavy cruiser in the game.
defiant = no comment needed.
remore = nice but not the best.
free warpin ships = normal warpin is just for fun. descent is v good, it's not tavara but it's free so it's better

and now we have the sov. let's make it 500off 1500def so it can cover for every mistake fed players make in the game. that way they can win all the time and all will be fine

[Actium]

posted on March 22nd, 2009, 12:56 am

Last edited by Actium on March 22nd, 2009, 10:34 am, edited 1 time in total.

i'm so happy i can be of assistance:

saber = the best harassment ship. maybe 2nd best after rhienn but still.
intrepid = 19off 24def with sa that does damage for 370d/130t. pretty good light cruiser.
akira = no comment needed.
newton = as above.
canaveral = sa which is a battle winner.
excelsion2 = long range, fast, v nice sa for 620d/180t. with sa it's the best heavy cruiser in the game.
defiant = no comment needed.
remore = nice but not the best.
free warpin ships = normal warpin is just for fun. descent is v good, it's not tavara but it's free so it's better

and now we have the sov. let's make it 500off 1500def so it can cover for every mistake fed players make in the game. that way they can win all the time and all will be fine

quite right, i gues its only the special of the sovreign that lack its power cuz the special doesnt fit to the fed playstile due lack of artillery ships.
the rest of the feds is strong enough, and i think i posted that a few times alr

posted on March 22nd, 2009, 12:59 am

I agree tom, good post.

posted on March 22nd, 2009, 2:52 pm

Yes. Right now the Federation--yes the Federation--is probably the STRONGEST faction of all five (probably not by very much though). Borg can't touch 'em early game, and neither can Klingon when done right. Their special weapons absolutely slaughter the early game units of other races, and many of their ships are not only very durable, but rather cheap (and they build really quickly). While other races are spamming Rhienns, SCubes, and K'vorts, Federation can build Sabers with speed upgrade and use warp in to give the coup de grace.

posted on March 24th, 2009, 10:35 pm

OFF TOPIC:

I have more and more the feeling that Federation is not a popular race choice in this forum. People seem to play mostly the other races and start to yell at any ideas that might stop them from using the Feds as easy prey.

i agree completely, it seems like most people use roms, and dom, and borg seem to be a powerhouse now, i would have to agree, people want an easy race to beat, suggestions made for feds seem to be beat down, same with the kligons ideas for them seems kinda beat down to, but i see the romulans being highly taled about, everybody wants the best for them, and all they want is more, tavara, its all tavara, tavara, tavara, tavara,

i think you guys need to play as feds, the races need to reciev equal attention they all need to be played and they all need to be looked at, as much as you guys might want a specific races, such as romies to be decked out with features, but i know that if romies are the only ones with cool stuff, people are only going to play romies, and i know that you guys dont want a one race fleet ops

guys every race need attention,

now i am certainly not, and others are not saying that we would like the feds to be a ubeatable race, we are only asking for balance


now i keep on hearing this fed is the strongest, now way, romulans and borg are porbably 1st in that catagory

i also hear all this feds are great at early game, in earlier versions maybye so, but they are defenintly not now, i would have to give that to the borg, the borg ships are produced alnost instantaneoulsy after the building struture is complete, and they are powerful ships, a few assimilators can easily harras any race, destryoing and asimilating there ships, not giving them tiem to build up a fleet, or expand mining, kligons can also excel at this with lots of ships production, but the borg are very dominant, with powerful ships

and also, saber class? really, dont tell me that the saber class gives fed early game superiority, the saber is fast, but a kvort can easily bring it down, and a warp in with sabers with speed upgrades wont help, the warp in ship can keep up

posted on March 24th, 2009, 10:45 pm

I can't believe you guys. This started out as a Descent topic and now it's spiraled into Feds nerve.

In any case: The Descent, although it could use a shield boost, gives every ship around it a third life. That may be why the shields are so low, though.