Borg needs some Improvements

posted on July 26th, 2010, 10:19 pm

I believe that the game would be slightly more balanced with the following modifications to the Borg.

Reduce the maximum payload by half for the resource collectors and increase the mining rate by 20%.

Increase the armor and weapon strength for all Borg ships by about 15 to 20% and reduce the cost of Borg vessels by about 10 to 20%.  Improve station armor by about 20% and add shields to all Borg units.

posted on July 26th, 2010, 10:22 pm

Borg are already powerful, they don't need these improvements.

posted on July 26th, 2010, 10:25 pm

Game balance, thy name is not TCR_500. Stronger armor and shields?

posted on July 26th, 2010, 10:36 pm

Okay, maybe not shields.  But if anything, the resource collectors maximum payload MUST come down.

posted on July 26th, 2010, 11:34 pm

Okay, maybe not shields.  But if anything, the resource collectors maximum payload MUST come down.

any reason why?

i like their uniqueness

posted on July 26th, 2010, 11:34 pm

wow, that seems like a streach.  I have always thought of the borg(in the right hands) as the strongest race in the game.  the fact that they can still lose based on the players skill means that they are balanced to op, not underpowered.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 12:12 am

Unfortunately, you must also provide reasons for why you think the way you do.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 12:22 am

Yeah ... Without any reasons behind these "requests", the only thing I can assume is that you've just been unable to beat anything using Borg.

  Reasons would help give an idea of why you think they need it .

posted on July 27th, 2010, 12:37 am

The only way to win as the Borg when playing in teams is to have a Dominion ally.  If the Borgs resource collector's maximum payload is dropped by half and the armor and weapons are enhanced by just 15 to 20%, then at least they will stand a chance against a team with a Dominion ally.  Micro-managing the collectors would take too much time.

The odds and the time required to monitor/collect the resources are the primary reasons I want this change.

If there are two teams, both having one player playing as the Borg, and one of the teams has just one player playing as the Dominion, the team with the Dominion player wins.  I want to modify those odds so that it's more of a 50/50 in that scenario.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 12:45 am

The only way to win as the Borg when playing in teams is to have a Dominion ally.  

  Sorry but that statement alone is cause for me to say that maybe the issue has to do with your skill level.  I don't mean that insultingly, but if you come online and play against humans you may find that the Borg are actually very well balanced .

  Playing against the AI is very different because the AI cheats.  They build faster and for less resources.  Borg ships below a Sphere can have a hard time dealing with that because most take a while to regenerate.  Against humans who cannot cheat, however, the Borg are very well balanced .


  Come try playing on Tunngle and I guarantee you'll change your mind about the Borg .

[TChapman500]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 12:48 am

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I am online.  I've run several scenerios with at least one player on each team being the Borg.  The Team with the Dominion won every time!

posted on July 27th, 2010, 1:36 am

The only way to win as the Borg when playing in teams is to have a Dominion ally.  If the Borgs resource collector's maximum payload is dropped by half and the armor and weapons are enhanced by just 15 to 20%, then at least they will stand a chance against a team with a Dominion ally.  Micro-managing the collectors would take too much time.

I don't think Borg need any changes.  I do think they're hard to play 1v1, but not impossible to win with.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 1:41 am

I am online.  I've run several scenerios with at least one player on each team being the Borg.  The Team with the Dominion won every time!

  Again I don't mean to be rude, but that's not a good reason to give them a 15-20% boost on every part of their game.

  Check out the guide for some strategies .  If many other players online can manage to win games effectively with Borg, they can't be as out of balance as you're suggesting.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 2:49 am

I haven't played the newest version yet, however if the Borg are anything like last version, I don't think there that weak, I wasn't even using the dodec in some of those games and dis perfectly fine, and but for a stupid mistake and not using asks before woulda beat boggz who I think we all can agree is a pretty dang good player

So I find it hard to believe that Borg need these improvements

However you mentioned somthing about Borg being unable to win in multiplayer, and I actually don't think I've won playing as Borg in a 2v2 game

posted on July 27th, 2010, 3:09 am

Lol Borg are already one of the easiest and most most powerful factions in the game (second to the feds of course ). 

Now I believe that you were the one that I faced in that 2v2 we had and I must say, teching straight up to a cube probably isn't the wisest thing to do. Your module choice wasn't the best as I managed to destroy your cube with 6 sabers, and 2 intrepids. So just because you lose does not mean that a faction is underpowered or overpowered (isn't that a quote from the guide!? )