An Urgent Transmission from StarFleet Command

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:14 pm

I was just saying that I am disappointed when I see how quickly a galaxy is destroyed as compared to a norway, or excelcior.

Funny, I feel the same way about the Excelsior... She's my favorite ship but once something corners her thats bigger than a destroyer. she's in a world of hurt. At least the Galaxy can trade shots for a little while even with the bigger boys 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:14 pm

I know its the strongest, I and i know it being rare is no reason to make it stronger, and yes dom I know it has been said a thousand times, I have actually been here alot longer than I have been a member.  the galaxy threads are uncountable...   I was just saying that I am disappointed when I see how quickly a galaxy is destroyed as compared to a norway, or excelcior.

Woa woa woooooaaa... lets not get out the e-penis here .  

The Norway and Excelsior, by pure virtue of stats go down far faster than the Galaxy. Now, couple that with speed, and you've got some interesting scenarios, but the Galaxy will prevail unless you keep that Norway out of battle.

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:18 pm

The Galaxy's power is quite fine for a battleship that isn't a dedicated waship.

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:21 pm

well then I stand corrected.


Maybe its just me , or the way the AI prioritizes ships but my Galaxys always blow up before my other smaller ships... but I guess thats just me

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:23 pm

Well, the AI should prioritize the weakest defensive ship in any case - if you want to look at the stats, just check out the guide as you well know . They're all there 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:24 pm

I know its the strongest, I and i know it being rare is no reason to make it stronger, and yes dom I know it has been said a thousand times, I have actually been here alot longer than I have been a member.  the galaxy threads are uncountable...   I was just saying that I am disappointed when I see how quickly a galaxy is destroyed as compared to a norway, or excelcior.

Huh ... do you really find that they just get owned all the time?  May I ask what kind of situations you find them in?

 I mean ... I've noticed that the Galaxies actually end up drawing a lot of fire in online games.  People see them as the biggest threat sometimes and just want it dead so it might come across as being a bit fragile.

 One thing I want to remind you of is that right now the Kvort is a BEAST.  It's short range and does extra damage to medium-ranged vessels.  Because the Galaxy has Tactical Weapons Arrays it will take extra from Short and the Kvort will just blast through it.  2 or 3 Kvorts (totally normal early game units) can really eat a Galaxy up.

  That shouldn't be an issue for too much longer though.  If I were you, I'd be happy my Galaxy with 35 Defensive Value was taking the damage that would be blasting my Excelsiors and Intrepids away .  

EDIT:  Wow Ninja'd by 5 people 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:32 pm

Yes Ninja'd x 5 *facepalm*

Well, the AI should prioritize the weakest defensive ship in any case - if you want to look at the stats, just check out the guide as you well know . They're all there 

no offence to you and your hard work, but I don't read the guide.

I actually read the odfs ifr I want to know the stats of the ships(which I didn't do in this case)

[Boggz]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:40 pm

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The Galaxy's power is quite fine for a battleship that isn't a dedicated waship.

 Actually yeah I've kind of gone with this line of thinking.  It's STILL stronger than a number of newer generation feds ships like:

• Excelsior II
• Remoore
• Akira
• Intrepid

So an aged ship is still stronger than any one of these newer and more standardized vessels.  Also:

Compare the Federation Battleship of TNG (Galaxy) to it's counterparts in the Klingon and Romulans from TNG:

Galaxy:  30/35
Vorcha:  38/30
D'Deridex:  35/40

I think that these comparisons are pretty spot-on.  A Vorcha is definitely not as well shielded as a Galaxy, but follows the Klingon tendency to add weapons and thus hits much harder.  The Romulan Warbirds in TNG were always regarded with extreme apprehension by the Enterprise and thus can be speculated as being slightly more powerful.  

 The Romulans have also kept their Warbirds in front-line service for much longer and thus would liekly have upgraded it to stay stronger over time, making it a bit more powerful now than it would have been in TNG.

 Does that put it in a bit more perspective?  I just have to remember the other top ships in TNG and then it seems to make more sense.


EDIT:  Btw, Zaxxon, getting a picture of the vessel's actual STATS just from the ODF's is a bit hard.  You can get the raw numbers, yes, but sometimes I feel it can be misleading .  Cool though that you check out the ODF's!  Dom's guide though in terms of the numbers is definitely a good resource.

[navyguy]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:47 pm

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It seemed to me the very thought of a Warbird going against a Galaxy Class was no contest for the Galaxy Class. I would think the Warbird would have higer stats? , also the Vorcha to me was always a stronger ship then the Galaxy Class. Many times in the tng you would see a Galaxy Class not wanting to engage a Warbird. I think from looking at the stats the Warbird would me much higer? well in one episode the Warbird knocked the shields of the Enterprise with one shot down to 33%, The only thing the Warbird couldnt match was the speed. It was always know Romulan Disruptors were far more powerful then the pasers of the Enterprise. Captian Picard said it best while in the Netural Zone "ENGAGE LETS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE" I forget the name of the episode were there looking for the Pegasis maybe spelled wrong, anyways the Warbird made it very clear she was in no danger. I always thought the Vorcha was also stronger? It seemed to me th Enterprise was far faster, but as far as weapons and shields, well she lacked that part that would allow her to engage ither one.

[quaddmgtech]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:49 pm

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Hate to nitpick but in the time of TNG; although larger and boasting similar shielding capacity, the D'deridex has been referenced in canon as having the lesser firepower of the two. unfortunately I can't remember exactly when and where this was mentioned. Anyone?  :whistling:

But as far as fleet-ops goes the stats make sense...

Federation reluctance to engage is probably due to policy not necessarily uncertainty as to the outcome...

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:52 pm

It seemed to me the very thought of a Warbird going against a Galaxy Class was no contest for the Galaxy Class. I would think the Warbird would have higer stats? , also the Vorcha to me was always a stronger ship then the Galaxy Class. Many times in the tng you would see a Galaxy Class not wanting to engage a Warbird.

  Yeah the Enterprise never really gets in a firefight with Warbirds ever if I recall correctly.  Can anyone provide footage of it actually happening?  I recall a couple of scenes like "The Defector" where I think they fire a few warning shots and there's a lot of flickering lights and camera shaking, but no real battles.

@Quad

I don't recall the reference to less firepower.  It is weaker than a Vorcha unless you go with Mijjie, and since the Warbird may miss the Vorcha with it's torps there is even a chance that the Vorcha might win.  I kind of like that .  A good polaron Torpedo and some misschance and the Klingons might yet emerge victorious!

[Tyler]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:54 pm

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From what I know of the D'deridex, it is slightly stronger but looses out in speed and maneuverability. A D'deridex would have to do potentially fatal push past it's limit to match Galaxy Class maximun warp, a 30% increase.

I don't think canon has firepower comparisons though, there is only speculation. Likely based on the size and how many weapons you could fit on the frame. The Warp speed came from the episode 'Tin Man'.

posted on January 29th, 2010, 11:07 pm

Yeah my mistake, it's bigger, slower, and actually has more weapons... at least according to memory Alpha. But That depends on whether or not the disruptors are as powerful as the Galaxy's Phaser banks. 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 11:12 pm

Hard to say on that one.  Seems like their weapons are more powerful but not more power than a Galaxy's shields in TNG.  Overall stronger, but not without it's faults .  Seems to be less structurally sound and thus slower than a Galaxy.  I mean look at the layout of the thing - it's structure seems to me to be a bit more dangerous than the compact and "hard" look of a Galaxy. 

  All speculation on our part, I'm afraid

posted on January 29th, 2010, 11:14 pm

Except for the speed part, that's canon. For warp, at least.