Nvidia 8--- and 9--- series defect

posted on February 25th, 2011, 3:34 am

you have nowhere to run as a consumer

Well, you can run...

but you can't hide 

posted on February 25th, 2011, 4:06 am

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posted on February 25th, 2011, 9:52 am

The thing is, nVidia didn't necessarily know the cards were bad untill the problems manifested 1-2 years later. So it's not as if they wanted to sell you a bad product.

and that justifies them making a mistake? whether they were trying to make a mistake or not, it should be their responsibility.

Now it's not like Americans don't have expectations about how long a product should last; we do, and companies reflect that in the form of warranties. And 90% of the time when something breaks, the manufacturers replace or fix it, although usually only within warranty frames.

u have to buy warranties. u have to pay even MORE money to get security in knowing that if it is crap you are covered. you shouldnt have to pay for something so basic.

But instituting a federal level law that forces companies to replace products is the kind of unnecessary regulation which can kill businesses.

business works fine here with the sale of goods act, i dont think companies shut down when forced to fix their mistakes, they make less mistakes as they know they have to pay for them.

You can argue that the free market idea that if a consumer has a bad experience with a company, they will not buy from them again does or doesn't work. In this case, there's really only one alternative, ATI, and some people - myself included - don't like ATI. And one little bad experience isn't going to change brand loyalties.

about the bold bit: exactly, nvidia (or any big company) will screw you over, but their marketing gurus have got your brand loyalty. thats the worst thing you can ever give a company, loyalty, they dont treat loyal customers better, they treat them worse. loyal customers dont really get the good discounts. introductory offers are always better than loyalty discounts (like bank account interest rates, or no claims bonuses for car insurance etc). if u show them the hint of loyalty they start ignoring u, and focussing on new customers, seeing as you are already with them they dont need to care about you.

The consumers can work together and hurt a company under the free market idea, but thats an ideal, it assumes no brand loyalty and that all the consumers talk to each other and agree to not buy from the company any more. which isnt ever gonna happen.

so you would have to force the manufacturer to replace a card that they didn't entirely build

i never said force the manufacturer to replace them, it would be nice if they did so. but here the sale of goods act requires the retailer to take responsibility. not the manufacturer. its up to the retailer to then deal with the manufacturer, maybe they had a contract which deals with it. maybe they no longer buy that manufacturer's product.

Its the difference between a few thousand people losing a bit of money and buying a new card, probably from the same people, or forcing a company to pay millions of dollars to fix something that wasn't your fault.  It is really the lesser of two evils.

what? thats totally backwards from my perspective. nvidia makes millions in profit, customers dont. they may save up to buy a nvidia product, they dont usually have as much money laying around as nvidia. i dont think nvidia should be forced to recall, i think it would be nice if they did.

For instance i buy a new screwdriver and plan to use it to pry something open with it. Now i know that its hard on the tip to do that but i dont care because i really didnt intend for it to last longer than one use.

under the sale of goods act you wouldnt be entitled to anything since you didnt use the screwdriver for its purpose. if u wanna buy a nvidia graphics card and use it as a doorstop then its your choice. if u had used it as a screwdriver like it was meant to be used, and it broke after the first use, then you would be covered.

Do i want to government to step in and "protect" me not really.

who else is gonna protect you? nvidia just screwed over a load of people, nobody is gonna stop them lol, the consumer definitely isnt. nvidia holds all the cards here.

If people do their jobs, the problem will get fixed whether it's the Free Market system or a government agency controlling it.  I think overall the Free Market system takes less money to run and has less opportunity for corruption, but I'll admit it's harsher to people who don't pay attention to what they're buying.

the free market wont work, since there is imperfect information, nvidia is one company with one plan, working to get your money. the consumers are a mismatched group of people who dont talk to each other and have many different agendas. if all the consumers could get together and say "we wont buy nvidia again" then fine, but it isnt gonna happen, ever.

and the sale of goods act isnt a government agency, its a law.

the free market may take less money, but it isnt fit for purpose. markets fail, all the time. in an ideal world with perfect information, the free market would be the best choice. but thats a theory, and sadly it doesnt work in practice. even america isnt a true free market, you have minimum wages for example. if u leave things up to a free market, some bright spark will read an economics textbook and find a way to explot it

The only other down side is that you can get super giants like nVidia and ATI, Intel and AMD, Microsoft and Apple. So even if you think both are crap, you have nowhere to run as a consumer and so you have to pick one, thus both survive. In some ways though, I actually like that there aren't tons of choices. If you have too many, it's impossible to know which is best or at least is the most desirable since they'll all be pretty much the same.

big giants like that are impossible to fight as consumers. either buy microsoft windoze or use linucks and not be able to use microsoft office etc, (for us the ability to play games easily probably matters more lol).

i'd prefer "tons of choices" it's closer to the economic theory of perfect competition, where consumers have the power. right now nvidia and ati share the power.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 12:21 pm

To be honest right, When it comes to your last part about Microsoft there is a clear choice.

Either

A, You build a Pc at decent level for £800 and then " buy " Windows for £300 or what ever it costs these days and get the benefits of useless software and MS office.

B,  Build a PC for £800 or so install Unbuntu or what ever Distro you prefer, then take the cost of Windows and buy a console.

That's speaking the legit route, which to be honest isn't exactly a raw deal there.

Now if you wanna talk the less than legal method you could obviously obtain Windows but then again as a UK student some of us get it for free

I just to be honest think Windows is such a waste of money it's unbelievable at times, Obviously some will argue but what about the stuff you can't do on Linux like Microsoft Office. USE OPEN OFFICE.

Obviously MS ACCESS is another issue entirely and for that I can understand Windows use, then again that's only really in a professional business environment.


As for Gaming let's not kid ourselves anymore, The PC Gaming market is dying the only games of worth left on a PC are MMORPG's and RTS's the problem of course that MMORPG's are starting to get moved to consoles with DCUO.

I really doubt it will be that long before RTS's get proper support on consoles with Keyboard + Mouse / Dedicated controller set ups probably in the next few years.

Do yourself a favour and never buy Windows if you ever did again, As for Laptops with Windows pre installed don't sign the license and get the £50-100 refund. Windows is a scam it's like Crack tbh, People keep using it because they believe there isn't a realistic alternative but in all honesty some of the applications on Linux are superior than on Windows and vice versa. Only difference is with *nix distro's everything is almost free and you get ALOT of choice.

Meh Rant lol




On the Subject of nVidia and the whole 8/9x series issues, I can say you can't actually blame nVidia for the parts they only design the hardware they don't manufacture it. On that issue you'd have to sue the manufacturer like XFX/BFG/Inno3d ect.

Oh side note, AMD/ATI still do manufacture Graphic cards with the reference board design and sell them they just aren't as common as the third party manufacturers because of all the after market benefits you get.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 1:46 pm

and that justifies them making a mistake? whether they were trying to make a mistake or not, it should be their responsibility.

A mistake is a mistake.  In this case it wasn't even nVidia's fault.  You make Nvidia out to be a big Ebil company(like many in the US do) when really, nVidia is nothing without the customers. You have more power than you realize in the US. 

You also have to remember that nvidia is made up of people and jobs, and you don't lose your job if you buy a bad card.  You loose your job if the government forces your company to pay millions though.

u have to buy warranties. u have to pay even MORE money to get security in knowing that if it is crap you are covered. you shouldnt have to pay for something so basic.

Eh, its another way they make money.  Why supply a free warranty when you can ask an extra $50 for it?  The only difference is that you get what you pay for, rather than having the government force the issue.  When that happens only the consumer gains off of a mistake.  If you payed extra for a service, and you get what you expected even when you already were let down, it builds a relationship between you and the company and makes you want to buy from them again.  Everyone wins.  It also helps when people want to to their job, and are paid well, so your experience is better, and the products are better.  This is not so if your job is pounded every time a mistake is made.

business works fine here with the sale of goods act, i dont think companies shut down when forced to fix their mistakes, they make less mistakes as they know they have to pay for them.

So fear of a mistake is driving your companys?   :lol:  jk

I would simply submit the fact that nVidia, Intel, Microsoft, and Apple are all American companies.(originally at least. Apple and others are international now) Heck AMD is Canadian. 

about the bold bit: exactly, nvidia (or any big company) will screw you over, but their marketing gurus have got your brand loyalty. thats the worst thing you can ever give a company, loyalty, they dont treat loyal customers better, they treat them worse. loyal customers dont really get the good discounts. introductory offers are always better than loyalty discounts (like bank account interest rates, or no claims bonuses for car insurance etc). if u show them the hint of loyalty they start ignoring u, and focussing on new customers, seeing as you are already with them they dont need to care about you.


The consumers can work together and hurt a company under the free market idea, but thats an ideal, it assumes no brand loyalty and that all the consumers talk to each other and agree to not buy from the company any more. which isnt ever gonna happen.

This is mostly true, but if they want your business bad enough, they will do almost anything they would do for a new customer to keep it.  Sure, you don't want to let loyalty blind you into accepting any crap they give you, but you don't want to feel like they aren't a good company when they might actually be.  Just be sure to remember that when you are no-longer a 'new' customer, you can always just mention how good their competitors price is for their new customers.  That always seems to work for me.   The generic phone lackey is so afraid of losing their job that they will start offering you things 'out the wazoo' when you mention switching service to that of your current's competitor.

i never said force the manufacturer to replace them, it would be nice if they did so. but here the sale of goods act requires the retailer to take responsibility. not the manufacturer. its up to the retailer to then deal with the manufacturer, maybe they had a contract which deals with it. maybe they no longer buy that manufacturer's product.

Sure it would be nice if they did. I completely agree.  The part where we differ is where I think that I, the consumer is the one who takes the fall versus the manufacturer.  In your case, you aren't even punishing the manufacturer.  You are punishing the store you bought the thing at.  That seems ridiculous to me.  What does the store have to do with this?   they just sold it to you.  They didn't make it.  They didn't cause the problem.  They just slapped a price tag on it,

what? thats totally backwards from my perspective. nvidia makes millions in profit, customers dont. they may save up to buy a nvidia product, they dont usually have as much money laying around as nvidia. i dont think nvidia should be forced to recall, i think it would be nice if they did.

I"m starting to realize that...   No, we don't make profit, but do their products make our lives better?  If we don't get something out of a product, we don't buy it.  In which case, who is to say who is at fault?  the supplier who botched the material?  The designer and producer? The Vendor?  Or the person who bought the faulty equipment?  I can't say as everyone gets something from it.  It makes more sense to me that it should be left to work out itself.  Just because the Gov't isn't forcing the matter doesn't mean that everyone doesn't take a loss.  Infact, you may only lose a couple hundred at most.  You have already had hundreds of hours of use from the product by the time it fails.  The Company(and every one else involved) are the ones that deal with losing their jobs, losing millions, and losing customers.  You as a customer always have a choice of who to buy from.  The sellers can only sell to som many of the same people.  The only difference is that your system forces everyone, but the consumer to take a loss.  This seems wrong.  Everyone involved should take a loss, or nobody should.  The free market allows this to happen.

under the sale of goods act you wouldnt be entitled to anything since you didnt use the screwdriver for its purpose. if u wanna buy a nvidia graphics card and use it as a doorstop then its your choice. if u had used it as a screwdriver like it was meant to be used, and it broke after the first use, then you would be covered.

See, this I don't understand.  Does the company, manufacturer, or the store specify how long a product should be good for, and what it should be used for?  First of all, if anyone specifies it, why not just say it is guaranteed to work for a day.  After that who cares?  The way you make it sound, its the consumer who says how long they expected the thing to work and the manufacturer who says how it should be used.  I honestly don't want them telling me how to use it, and there are obvious problems if I get to say how long I thought it would work.  I could say that I thought it would work for 10 years.  Would the store still be liable?

This law relies on the integrity of a consumer, which is silly because nobody holds the consumer accountable for their actions.  We, the consumers do, however, hold the company accountable.  When they don't do what they said they agreed to do is when we step up.   

who else is gonna protect you? nvidia just screwed over a load of people, nobody is gonna stop them lol, the consumer definitely isnt. nvidia holds all the cards here.

I would argue that you don't need protection because 99% of the time, you will buy a product that works properly.  In the case of a mistake like this, who protects the company??  Obviously not your government.

the free market wont work, since there is imperfect information, nvidia is one company with one plan, working to get your money. the consumers are a mismatched group of people who dont talk to each other and have many different agendas. if all the consumers could get together and say "we wont buy nvidia again" then fine, but it isnt gonna happen, ever.

and the sale of goods act isnt a government agency, its a law.

But thats the point.  nVidia isn't one company.  Not in this case.  It was a collaboration of companies that lost money on this deal.  And who says we don't talk?  What are we doing right now?  And this is an international discussion.  If you are buying a Geforce card, you probably did some research, and maybe even looked at the better business bureau, or simply read customer reviews.  If you chose to listen, there are plenty of people talking.  In a case like this, even if you had done research and talk to other customers you wouldn't have known better.

And we know its law, but who enforces the law?  I am pretty sure the government does.

the free market may take less money, but it isnt fit for purpose. markets fail, all the time. in an ideal world with perfect information, the free market would be the best choice. but thats a theory, and sadly it doesnt work in practice. even america isnt a true free market, you have minimum wages for example. if u leave things up to a free market, some bright spark will read an economics textbook and find a way to explot it

The idea of the free market embraces failure.  Failure is what keeps it going.  When people fail, they pay the price, but ultimatly come out stronger.  Business that fail change or get bought.  People who fail learn from their mistakes.  In a way, it is more forgiving than your market because if a business fails, the consumer actually wins because they have to retool and lower prices.  If a big company like Nvidia were to fail, it would be hard to say what might happen, but it certainly wouldn't be because the government forced them to pay customers millions.  That is backwards.  It would have been because Customers refused to pay them millions.

And yes, those who understand economics do better.  That is true for everything.  If you are more informed than the other guy, you will always do better.  If you have more experience, more practice, more knowledge, it only makes sense that you would do better.

big giants like that are impossible to fight as consumers. either buy microsoft windoze or use linucks and not be able to use microsoft office etc, (for us the ability to play games easily probably matters more lol).

Maybe under your system, but in the US, customers have all the power in the world when it comes to products. 

and lol, buy windows or apple, (or linux really) and you can still use microsoft office because Bill Gates is smart enough to realize that some people  like apple better.  That is the free market at work my friend.

i'd prefer "tons of choices" it's closer to the economic theory of perfect competition, where consumers have the power. right now nvidia and ati share the power.

But you just contradicted your self.  nVidia and ATI don't share the power.  They compete for your money, but ultimately you have the power to choose.  they do not.  they have to sell to you, or not at all.   The technology really doesn't allow you to have so many choices, but honestly, when you have more than one, you are still in power. You only lose power when there is no other choice, and you still have the option of not buying at all.

But seriously, if you don't like ATI or nVidia, just use Intel's onboard graphics.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 5:36 pm

A mistake is a mistake.  In this case it wasn't even nVidia's fault.  You make Nvidia out to be a big Ebil company(like many in the US do) when really, nVidia is nothing without the customers. You have more power than you realize in the US. 

if they cared about their customers they would have replaced any broken cards. they obviously dont care. they arent evil, business is business. but they arent friends of the consumer. they are out for themselves. profit motivates them, not keeping customers happy. they only need to keep customers happy enough that it doesnt hurt their profit.

When that happens only the consumer gains off of a mistake. 

how does a consumer gain? you spend £x on a product, it is faulty, you return it (paying postage) to get a refund. you lost the cost of postage and lost time. you roughly break even. the only loser is the retailer. as it should be, they took responsibility when they went into business.

So fear of a mistake is driving your companys?    jk

yes, they should have some fear. every mistake should have consequences or they are just gonna do it over and over again.

I would simply submit the fact that nVidia, Intel, Microsoft, and Apple are all American companies.(originally at least. Apple and others are international now) Heck AMD is Canadian. 

they are all multinational, they were founded in america. and thats weak evidence there are plenty of companies from plenty of countries, all with various degress of laws all of which are profitable.

In your case, you aren't even punishing the manufacturer.  You are punishing the store you bought the thing at.  That seems ridiculous to me.  What does the store have to do with this?  they just sold it to you.  They didn't make it.  They didn't cause the problem.  They just slapped a price tag on it,

business has risks. someone in the chain makes a mistake, not the consumer though. and someone has to pay. why make the consumer pay? they are the least able to shoulder the cost. retailers and manufacturers are. and the retailer is the one you enter into the assumed contract with, when you give them your money, you have expectations of what you are getting. retailers try to fob off complaints and say "go talk to the maker" when its the retailer who should make sure things are good before they sell them as you have a contract with the retailer.

You as a customer always have a choice of who to buy from.

really? nvidia or ati, thats your entire choice customer really is king (!)

if a market existed in perfect competition then the free market would fix things for everyone, but perfect competition doesnt exist and never will. somebody will always find a way to deceive others and make some money. consumers wont punish companies cos they arent organised enough.

See, this I don't understand.  Does the company, manufacturer, or the store specify how long a product should be good for, and what it should be used for?  First of all, if anyone specifies it, why not just say it is guaranteed to work for a day.  After that who cares?  The way you make it sound, its the consumer who says how long they expected the thing to work and the manufacturer who says how it should be used.  I honestly don't want them telling me how to use it, and there are obvious problems if I get to say how long I thought it would work.  I could say that I thought it would work for 10 years.  Would the store still be liable?

This law relies on the integrity of a consumer, which is silly because nobody holds the consumer accountable for their actions.  We, the consumers do, however, hold the company accountable.  When they don't do what they said they agreed to do is when we step up.   

The retailer is liable. they are the ones who sold you it, so they are the ones who have to put mistakes right.

how long it should last is defined as "it should last a reasonable amount of time". sensible people can figure that out. and if customer and retailer dont agree a civil court decides it if the customer takes it to court, which rarely happens. as reasonable is usually obvious. if u buy a car and it dies in 6 months, thats obviously not reasonable. if it dies in 10 years that is obviously reasonable. a cut of meat shouldnt smell when you buy it, but if it smells after 3 weeks then that is reasonable. companies cant specify less time. if a company sells you a normal car at normal prices  and says it will last a week (well you wont purchase lol) a court wont take that into account. they will go by what is reasonable. if a company says more, then you can hold them to that, as guarantees are part of the product you are buying.

how it should be used is obvious too. if u use a computer as a chair and it breaks then you misused the product, and a court wont support you. if u use a graphics card as a hammer and it breaks etc. basically its common sense. they cant tell you how to use it, they can tell you how they intend for it to be used. if u misuse it and it breaks then its your fault. they have no power to stop you breaking it, its your own mistake, take responsibility for it.

if a consumer wants to lie and be silly, then they will lose the court case. the company will refuse to sort it out, at that point the consumer takes them to court, if the case really is a lie or something then the court will deal with it, and probably order the sneaky liar to pay some costs.

In the case of a mistake like this, who protects the company??  Obviously not your government. LOL

who should protect the company? why do they deserve protection? they dont, the government should protect those who are at a disadvantage, that is the customer, not the business with millions of quickbucks of profit and business insurance to cushion the blow.

And who says we don't talk?

a few customers talk, not all of them, not enough to truly make the company the weaker entity. i would love if all the customers were organised and behaved like free market theory theorises, sadly we dont.

even if you had done research and talk to other customers you wouldn't have known better.

that supports my point that if the customer still did everything right, a company can still ruin their finances for them. the law should hold them accountable.

And we know its law, but who enforces the law?  I am pretty sure the government does.

courts enforce the law...
governments make the law.
there is no government department/agency/quango etc that enforces this law. a civil court will hear the case and enforce the law

separately there is trading standards which investigates whether companies are trading fairly and trading nicely. they dont judge your case, thats for the civil court. they investigate complaints. so you would go to civil court and contact trading standards at the same time (if u wanted to contact trading standards that is). civil court would make the company pay up to you, while trading standards would investigate them for things like repeated lying/misselling or selling stuff they know is crap and stuff like that. then they fine them if they are being bad.

When people fail, they pay the price, but ultimatly come out stronger.

thats not true at all. rich people dont care if their money got wasted by a rogue company. while poor people are left with wrecked finances by companies that screw them over. you dont come out stronger after being screwed over, you come out weaker or equal. i couldnt afford to buy a second nvidia graphics card if the first broke, i cant even afford the first.

And yes, those who understand economics do better.  That is true for everything.  If you are more informed than the other guy, you will always do better.  If you have more experience, more practice, more knowledge, it only makes sense that you would do better.

the companies will always have a team of people who understand things properly stacking the cards in their favour. the only way for consumers to fight back on their own would be for them all to go out and study economics, in which case unemployment would be 100% as everyone was at university studying. obviously somebody has to defend the consumer. or the companies would shiv them.

Maybe under your system, but in the US, customers have all the power in the world when it comes to products.

and lol, buy windows or apple, (or linux really) and you can still use microsoft office because Bill Gates is smart enough to realize that some people  like apple better.  That is the free market at work my friend.

all the power? microsoft is one of the textbook examples of a monopoly. go buy apple? what if u wanna run windoze specific programs or you dont have mac experience? go use linucks? not everybody understands how to install a new operating system. microsoft office was released on mac because they can make more money that way.

But you just contradicted your self.  nVidia and ATI don't share the power.

this is a wording misunderstanding. by nvidia and ati sharing i mean that they share it between themselves. ie only htose two have the power, nobody else. they definitely dont want to give it to the consumer, otherwise how would they take our money?

they have to sell to you, or not at all.

that assumes all the consumers count as 1 entity. they either sell to consumers or not, well that applies to a lot of businesses lol. each customer is 1 entity, different from the others, each customer is almost powerless. only when customers happen to combine forces do they have any power. but customers arent organised, there is no board of directors for customers, we each have our own agendas and motives and strategies. the company is 1 entity working with all its power to take our money. if we organised the way they did then we could have a working free market. but we dont organise that way.

and you still have the option of not buying at all.

that only applies in this case when the good is a luxury. and even then u dont get what u originally wanted. u get nothing.

But seriously, if you don't like ATI or nVidia, just use Intel's onboard graphics.

i already do lol, not buy choice. my budget dictated my laptop purchase, i wasnt interested in a gaming laptop. i got this laptop as liquidated stock anyway lol.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 6:51 pm

Wow text walls.  I only have one thing to say:

The 1-year warranty is free.  They used to cost money but the market "adjusted" itself and nowadays nobody charges for 1-year warranties on laptops.  So there is a certain amount of quality guarantee under our system, it just cuts off at 1 year unless you pay for 3 years 

Meanwhile, Macintosh has made it so you can buy the extended warranty anytime during the first year.  So if you start to have problems or concerns, you can get a better warranty up to the moment your basic one expires.  I hope the system encourages other computer manufacturers to do the same.  It's a question of communication, really; Macintosh really needs to advertise that they do this to put the issue out in the open.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 6:53 pm

1 year for free is better than 0 years, but still not as good as it should be. how long do people here thing a laptop should work? i think 4 years minimum.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 7:11 pm

1 year for free is better than 0 years, but still not as good as it should be. how long do people here thing a laptop should work? i think 4 years minimum.

Oh Yeah 4 years MINIMUM. theres no excuse for crappy hardware. We should be making improvements not regressing due to manufacturers cutting corners to make higher profits...

Luckily I still trust Nvidia way more than I trust ATI  I've had twice as many ATI cards go bad than Nvidia's.

The last good ATI card I had was a 9700 series, probably 10 years ago now.

posted on February 25th, 2011, 7:53 pm

hi i did some reading the other day,about a new nvidia card,gtx 580,and its 1.5gb,its immense and if could i would love to see what it could do

posted on February 25th, 2011, 9:04 pm

Wow text walls. 

There's nothing wrong with that. Why are people so affriad of words?   

1 year for free is better than 0 years, but still not as good as it should be. how long do people here thing a laptop should work? i think 4 years minimum.

Well, it depends on usage, but I'd say between 3-5 years. But once you cross that three year mark, you reach the point where failures could be as much because of usage and user handling as materials. We had a laptop which died last fall, it lated about four years (by the way, it died because the video card, an ATI mind you, burned out.)

hi i did some reading the other day,about a new nvidia card,gtx 580,and its 1.5gb,its immense and if could i would love to see what it could do

I just got a 570 for a rig I'm building. Although I haven't had a chance to do anything since I'm waiting on the processor.  Yeah, of all things to have to wait on.

posted on February 26th, 2011, 2:01 pm

holy shit, thats alot text. im to lazy to read it.

i have heard of the problems with a few boards of the 8 and 9 series. but you wont believe it: My next graphicboard gonna be a nvidia one again. Actually i got a ATI HD 4650 and got a lot trouble with it.
The drivers are quite unstable in some games(makes em sometimes freeze for a few secs till the driver is restartet, even though it was already worse), also the lack of a 16bit z-buffer support causes some trouble too.

posted on February 26th, 2011, 2:03 pm

makes em sometimes freeze for a few secs till the driver is restartet

i get that with my intel 945gm with gma 950.

luckily windows vista/7 can reset the driver like that. on xp i think the computer just freezes lol.

posted on February 26th, 2011, 2:08 pm

i get that with my intel 945gm with gma 950.

luckily windows vista/7 can reset the driver like that. on xp i think the computer just freezes lol.

a few drivers earlier the graphicboard just got shut downcompletly while the game continued like nothing happened (just with black monitor). That sucks realy

posted on February 26th, 2011, 5:02 pm

Something like that happened with our laptop which had an ATI, only it would blackout when it got unplugged. It was really annoying because the only way to fix it was a forced restart.