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posted on May 5th, 2005, 7:35 pm
i respect your option.
sw3 looks neet i hope i get to see it in the theters when it comes out.
sw3 looks neet i hope i get to see it in the theters when it comes out.
posted on May 5th, 2005, 8:15 pm
Ewm got pwned.
posted on May 5th, 2005, 8:50 pm
i did that was a lite pawnding that all you got a buter fliy can hit harder than that.
posted on May 5th, 2005, 9:02 pm
Ewm got mad pwned, he shakes like child. Prolly doesn't even know what the mon remonda is.
posted on May 6th, 2005, 3:48 pm
I have a link to some star trek and star wars ship designs:
http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/OtherGenres.html
Look up the star wars ships, and you can see what types of star destroyers existed or would have existed.
http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/OtherGenres.html
Look up the star wars ships, and you can see what types of star destroyers existed or would have existed.
posted on May 6th, 2005, 4:38 pm
Well while all of this is a recipie for disaster if physics were taken into account then we must assume that the star wars galaxy is simply smaller, granted both series ignore current physics, but star trek does it to far more of an extent, the fact is the fastest small craft (according to a Smuggler) was only warp 1.2 on the ST Scale, most Fed Shuttle Craft top warp three at maximum, so in standard terms we can assume that Star trek is a bit faster, plus the length of the Medium (standard star Destoryer) is only 700 meters, that puts it on par with the size of the soverin this can be confirmed by comparisions between the fighters and the actuall star destroyers at Endor, so in all complexites I think that even 75,000 is a wee bit un realistic, plus the weapons are simply out matched, you are talking "proton torpedoes" on a standard fighter versus photons carried by the fighters in the retake of DS9 which in all terms are more powerful weapons, plus missles, and lazers are simply to far assocaited with the past ot be powerful,
ugghhh.... must resist the need to post got to go to class
ugghhh.... must resist the need to post got to go to class
posted on May 6th, 2005, 5:16 pm
What makes the star wars galaxy smaller? If anything it's larger, seeing as how it has many many more races then the ST galaxy. Then again hyperspace is of course faster then warp. Yes the star destroyer itself isn't very big, but it has ALOT more mass and internal volume. Then with not many crewmen having their own quarters and the economical sense of imperial engineers, perhaps the 75,000 estimate isn't that far off.
Weapons can be solved simply, because the race E-D came accross had fairly small ships, and probably very weak lasers. The class 5 turbolasers on the Star destroyer on the other hand are fairly big, about the size of a shuttle.
Weapons can be solved simply, because the race E-D came accross had fairly small ships, and probably very weak lasers. The class 5 turbolasers on the Star destroyer on the other hand are fairly big, about the size of a shuttle.
posted on May 6th, 2005, 10:17 pm
haw duss hiperspace work that makes it faster?
you still have not sold me on the lasers and haw some thing that is usaly so week can be so strong?
you still have not sold me on the lasers and haw some thing that is usaly so week can be so strong?
posted on May 6th, 2005, 10:40 pm
If it takes you from one side of the galaxy to the other in a few weeks, it's alot faster then warp.
Well firstly ewm, the only thing that ever said they were weak was that episode of TNG. Then you don't know the size of that alien ships lasers, I can guarantee you a turbolaser is alot more powerful then it.
Well firstly ewm, the only thing that ever said they were weak was that episode of TNG. Then you don't know the size of that alien ships lasers, I can guarantee you a turbolaser is alot more powerful then it.
posted on May 6th, 2005, 11:29 pm
haw duss it work and when was it stated that thay have gone from one side of a galixsy to the uther?
well thats a nuff for prove to me thay are not. thares all so the fact that no ship in star trek ever chaged a romuulan klingon fringi borg and so with a laser systom susefaly.
well thats a nuff for prove to me thay are not. thares all so the fact that no ship in star trek ever chaged a romuulan klingon fringi borg and so with a laser systom susefaly.
posted on May 7th, 2005, 2:36 am
Last edited by Fullphaser on May 7th, 2005, 2:44 am, edited 1 time in total.
I am saying that the Star Wars galaxy must be smaller simply because of the fact that if you look at it you are talking about two systmes that are running on Sci Fi physics, according to what I have Seen the Top speed of one ship or another is 1.1 * the Speed of Light, Now according to the lovely and Indomniable star trek physics, the top speed of one of its vessles is 9.8-9.9 times the speed of light and something a bit faster I think because the TNG is slightly more condeced, I think by the old scale it is actually 15 times the speed of light (theoretically killing anything and everything) In saying that a vessele traviling at 1.1 times the speed of light can cross a galaxy in only a week and a vessel traviling 10 or so times the speed of light takes 70 some odd years just to get through a quarter of the galaxy suggest that the galaxy which only takes a week to cross at 1.1 times the speed of light must be relativly small, actually impossible slow (in fact now that I give some thought to it it takes years just for light to reach us from the nearest star system, meaning the star wars galaxy is either ulta condenced; or someone got their math so messed up it isn't funny at those speeds it would take us nearly 100 years to reach alpha centauri alone (it would take 7 minutes to reach our own sun at those speeds) there is something wrong their please preator take a minute to look at the math... there is something way wrong with 1.1 times the speed of light and getting somewhere that fast, if anyone has a better explanation of the whole hyperspace system that would be great
As for internal volume, even with the greatest usage of space (including cargo bays for food, hydroponics, Fighter Bays, A docking bay and other assorted Items, even the Dominion dreadnaught at a whopping what 1000 meters was carrying barely 40-50 thousand, and with the need to feed and protect the crew not to mention the over wasted amount of space as suggested by the internals of the death star where we see a lovely endless cavern for power generation and it forces me to wonder if star destyores suffer from the same oversized power cores, to match their size that is) their internal volume just seems a bit bloated when you take into account secondary needs for a ship at 700 meters long and 43 decks tall
as for weapons it was stated it would take a fleet of star destroyers to destroy onderon where as my guess (and a hypothesis only based of the power uses of the deflector) that the E-D deflector could probably put enough power through (althoug it would frag the galaxy) to destroy a planet, just think about the overall power output potential plus the already pre determined output of the phasers, plus the nearly limitless power of a matter anti matter reaction and you get one nasty planet killer
Plus these all powerful sensors you talk about, they couldn't even tell the Falcon from a heap of garbage, or tell where it had gone (right behind them) and you expect me to believe that they make up for this with huge long range sensors, heck they were still confused as to postions of fighters in pursuit, this was fighter granted, but still most shuttles know what is following them, plus their is the whole issue of the cloak. it was pondered weather the Falcon could cloak, the captain said the ship was to small, (yet another large ship reference indicating the requirement of huge amounts of space) where a romulan shuttle can cloak, plus ST had invented the Wonderful Tachyon net. so while SW is still pondering the Cloack ST already has a counter mesure
then thier is the issue of the Planatary shield, You are telling me that thier's a ship that large and they can't just stick a shield on the DS (well their could be other reasons for that... but the shields on the SSD were contained in what could have been a radar cone if i'm not mistaken, not exactly the brightest defence system if you ask me, external shield controls.
Then thier is the whole concept in general, when star trek was born the whole idea was that technology be at it's peak and the utopia reign supreme but with star wars tech wasn't the focus it was hey their one hell of a struggle going on and peopel are going to get killed ha zah... simple difference in theories suggest that star wars was never designed to be all powerful (as opposed to ST) it was jsut a good action flick
As for internal volume, even with the greatest usage of space (including cargo bays for food, hydroponics, Fighter Bays, A docking bay and other assorted Items, even the Dominion dreadnaught at a whopping what 1000 meters was carrying barely 40-50 thousand, and with the need to feed and protect the crew not to mention the over wasted amount of space as suggested by the internals of the death star where we see a lovely endless cavern for power generation and it forces me to wonder if star destyores suffer from the same oversized power cores, to match their size that is) their internal volume just seems a bit bloated when you take into account secondary needs for a ship at 700 meters long and 43 decks tall
as for weapons it was stated it would take a fleet of star destroyers to destroy onderon where as my guess (and a hypothesis only based of the power uses of the deflector) that the E-D deflector could probably put enough power through (althoug it would frag the galaxy) to destroy a planet, just think about the overall power output potential plus the already pre determined output of the phasers, plus the nearly limitless power of a matter anti matter reaction and you get one nasty planet killer
Plus these all powerful sensors you talk about, they couldn't even tell the Falcon from a heap of garbage, or tell where it had gone (right behind them) and you expect me to believe that they make up for this with huge long range sensors, heck they were still confused as to postions of fighters in pursuit, this was fighter granted, but still most shuttles know what is following them, plus their is the whole issue of the cloak. it was pondered weather the Falcon could cloak, the captain said the ship was to small, (yet another large ship reference indicating the requirement of huge amounts of space) where a romulan shuttle can cloak, plus ST had invented the Wonderful Tachyon net. so while SW is still pondering the Cloack ST already has a counter mesure
then thier is the issue of the Planatary shield, You are telling me that thier's a ship that large and they can't just stick a shield on the DS (well their could be other reasons for that... but the shields on the SSD were contained in what could have been a radar cone if i'm not mistaken, not exactly the brightest defence system if you ask me, external shield controls.
Then thier is the whole concept in general, when star trek was born the whole idea was that technology be at it's peak and the utopia reign supreme but with star wars tech wasn't the focus it was hey their one hell of a struggle going on and peopel are going to get killed ha zah... simple difference in theories suggest that star wars was never designed to be all powerful (as opposed to ST) it was jsut a good action flick
posted on May 7th, 2005, 4:07 am
Ewm you got no proof to say that lasers are really so weak that the feds wouldn't have ever used them. I really think roddenberry just wanted a neat name for the weapons personally, and theres little to no differant between phasers and lasers.
Now fullphaser, where did it say the maximum speed of the fastest ship in the SW galaxy was warp 1.1? They had that thing called hyperspace that made them go alot faster then that...
I do believe star destroyers are longer then 700 meters, of course it's size can be debated. I read from books about the crew complement, so I know what i'm saying is true.
They didn't have star destroyers in KOTOR, the biggest thing the republic had was like 4 turbolasers total on their hammerhead cruisers, which are small ass in comparison to most imperial ships. Then I haven't heard anything about a single ship being able to destroy a planet in ST by using the deflector array, that seems fairly far fetched.
Well they were idiots phaser, duh...Of course some tie would have seen them, a small screw up to the movie. Then I never said their sensors were so freakin powerful as you think, but their not blind either. SW has cloak, but unlike the unrealistic size of the small ass ST cloak, it's realistic in size.
I didn't f***ing design the imperator destroyers, what does this have to do with anything?
Now fullphaser, where did it say the maximum speed of the fastest ship in the SW galaxy was warp 1.1? They had that thing called hyperspace that made them go alot faster then that...
I do believe star destroyers are longer then 700 meters, of course it's size can be debated. I read from books about the crew complement, so I know what i'm saying is true.
They didn't have star destroyers in KOTOR, the biggest thing the republic had was like 4 turbolasers total on their hammerhead cruisers, which are small ass in comparison to most imperial ships. Then I haven't heard anything about a single ship being able to destroy a planet in ST by using the deflector array, that seems fairly far fetched.
Well they were idiots phaser, duh...Of course some tie would have seen them, a small screw up to the movie. Then I never said their sensors were so freakin powerful as you think, but their not blind either. SW has cloak, but unlike the unrealistic size of the small ass ST cloak, it's realistic in size.
I didn't f***ing design the imperator destroyers, what does this have to do with anything?
posted on May 7th, 2005, 11:27 am
Last edited by ewm90 on May 7th, 2005, 11:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
that TNG episode. you have eny proof that thay are not. all i can go on is what i know and that is that lazers are consiter a old wepond and cant damage ships hall. this is the fact until perovin utherwise.
you have proof of this?
what book?
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well what we know is fasers are spost to be a lot more pawerfull that lazers thae mane wepind of star wars.
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you have proof of this?
what book?
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well what we know is fasers are spost to be a lot more pawerfull that lazers thae mane wepind of star wars.
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posted on May 7th, 2005, 12:57 pm
Until you have any proof lasers are that weak, you are an idiot.
Go watch one of the f***ing movies, this one is more or less common sense.
The star wars X wing books, some interesting reading.
Yeah they said phasers ARE more powerful, i'm not doubing that, i'm simply saying that turbolasers are definately not as weak as the lasers on that alien ship.
Go watch one of the f***ing movies, this one is more or less common sense.
The star wars X wing books, some interesting reading.
Yeah they said phasers ARE more powerful, i'm not doubing that, i'm simply saying that turbolasers are definately not as weak as the lasers on that alien ship.
posted on May 7th, 2005, 11:38 pm
i never sed thay wer week i sed thay have lital efect on star trek ships.
i have seen all the movies thank you.
The star wars X wing books thats thare name?
thats sawnds rite but thay still are lasers.
i have seen all the movies thank you.
The star wars X wing books thats thare name?
thats sawnds rite but thay still are lasers.
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