STXII in 2012

posted on December 6th, 2009, 7:26 pm

the tripe that is Star Wars Episodes 1-3.

Be glad you didn't get sequels to Star Wars instead!

[SIAK83]

posted on December 6th, 2009, 9:49 pm

Last edited by SIAK83 on December 6th, 2009, 9:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The problem with the "NEW" Star Trek for old Star Trek fans isnt the new look, it is the change of physical laws respectively the adding of new things like red matter. One of the best things on Star Trek was the most plausible technology etc. now it moves to be like other stuff. You think now they have no choice... but the storywriters add a new technology or physical law or something without a logical description. Its like looking a movie with knights who only have swords... they are hundrets against thousand they are probably lost...dead... but the hundrets go to their horses and take machine guns and grenades out of their bags.
It can be cool, funny, amusing... but it  will be no more knight-movie.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 9:57 pm

But a lot of Star Trek wasn't plausible.  Remember Voyager and their multispectrum warp fields?  Or rerouting power to the heisenburg compensators to channel into the flux dilithium core to increase barionic power to the phasers?   That last one was made up, but that's how most of voyager worked.  They made up some crap and then tried to explain their crap.  At least in the new star trek movie, they made up crap, but didn't try to explain it with rainbow warp fields.  Not great, but a step in the right direction.  B5 was far more plausible about what you can and can not do in space, and the made up plot devices like hyperspace were consistent throughout the series.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:00 pm

That wasn't Star Trek, that was Voyager. Different series, a few similar names.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:02 pm

I gave up calling Voyager Star Trek a long time ago...sorry.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:03 pm

You're right.  I forgot that Voyager and Enterprise are from a different franchise.  My mistake.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:04 pm

Mmm, Voyager, where no Star Trek fan has gone before  :shifty:

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:16 pm

Voyager was fun, if you forget it's trek.

Red matter is plausible... you can destroy the universe with a light bulb if you can create a zero point vacuum detonation

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:30 pm

red.... the color of infinite power!

posted on December 6th, 2009, 10:59 pm

I think it's sad that the new Trek didn't try to explain anything. Sure, the film was good, but it's the technobabble and applied phlebotinum that makes Star Trek.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 11:11 pm

Well, it wasn't always that way.   Remember TOS and TNG when it was all about a good story?  With a complicated plot?  It had more to do about the human condition than modifying the phase variance.   After Gene died, the amount of treknobabble rose sharply, and viewers stopped tuning in every week.

Red matter was a lame plot device.  But trying to cover up something lame with something even more lame would have been worse, I think.  And Nero's all mad just because Spock isn't German so his train didn't run on time.  So let's destroy the timeline.  And the supernova threatens not just Romulus, but the entire galaxy...whatever.  Just keep shoveling popcorn in your mouths and shelling out money.  But the fact that the movie didn't try to use silly explainations for things like they did in past TNG movies, and worked on the characterization of the original crew instead helped make up for sloppy writing in the beginning.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 11:35 pm

I always viewed the supernova as "threatening the entire galaxy" being a symptom of it affecting the space faring factions. Rather than the actual physical threat of the supernova (which would have been ridiculous indeed), I just used suspension of disbelief and said to myself "well, maybe by being a threat to Romulus and nearby species it would destabilize the political environment and lead to war" - which it sort of did. 

posted on December 6th, 2009, 11:43 pm

If it damaged subspace, it could screw Warp Drive. That might cause a few... technical issues.

Anything could happen.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 11:48 pm

I'm going to go with 'If left unchecked, it would release 8472 freely into non-borg space.  Thus leading to a serious pain in the ass.

posted on December 6th, 2009, 11:53 pm

I blame Spock's Brain!