StarTrek shields ... poll

posted on May 2nd, 2009, 7:14 am

Concerning shields, starfleet determined that most damage is cause at the moment of impact witch lead the the development of pulse phasers. I am just pointing that out so you can use it to help develop your theory.

posted on May 2nd, 2009, 8:48 am

Try  the site  Ex-Astris Scientia web site  look up Deflector sheilds. Also try some of the Tech manuals you may find  they  might give a understandable  but not  too techno babble  full  description. Ill look in my  Referance/Tech manuals this weekend to see If I can find  a good simple desription.

posted on May 2nd, 2009, 10:13 am

They take big top, put it in a tin can, hook it up to some wires and spin it real fast which generates an electromagnetic field around the ship.

posted on May 2nd, 2009, 1:20 pm

@ Lt.Cdr.White

You don't seem to understand my desire. I'm not interested in what shields do at all any more, because already I see that they just work fine on any real occasion and only fail on some phantastical hyper-special occasions, like the use of a breen damping weapon. ("How does the heisenberg kompensator work?" "Fine, thanks!"  :lol:) What all my questions aim for, is a reason, why the shields work the way they do way.

It might even take worong assumptions to derive the shields behaviour, but simply descibing what StarTrek shields do is certainly not the topic of that thread.

By analyzing the mechanics of dissipation/absorbtion/deflection, we may get an realistic view on the capabilities of what shields of a particular set pf assumptions.

posted on May 2nd, 2009, 4:10 pm

Good luck.

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 4:56 pm

Well thanks 

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 5:02 pm

No problem.

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 5:22 pm

perhaps shields work this way.

phasers in star trek are beams of a certain amplitude and frequency. by facing this beam with an counter wave field, its neutralized (in best case ^^). (thats why shields in st have a certain frequency, in which they shift these counterfield frequence (! i have to put 2 different kinds of frquencys whith the same name ...))

[frequence of shifting the counter-frequence to absorb energy]

but because you dont know the specific frquency of your enemys wheapon the shield has to randomly modify its own frequence, so that the chance of absorbing as much energy as possible is given and raised to max.

thats why knowing your enemys shield freuency allows you to just modifiy your beams and self-shielded torpedoes to just go through this anti-field.

(compare it to startrek 7 where the bop just ignores the shield)

Very interesting ideas m8. I never got the idea of what a shield frequency myself. Although your approach of having a counter field that randomly changes frequency has got a serious hitch (I'll come to that point later), it bings up a most valuable idea:

An incomung monochromatic beam (means the beam just consists of energy of a single frequency) can be completly annihilated by a counter beam, which is phase-shifted by half of the beams wavelength. That effect becomes smaller, if the phase shift is greater or smaller than that.

If we get the possibility to take one half of the incoming beam, and apply a phase shift on that beam it will interfere with itself in a destructive manner (getting better, the better we know the enemies frequency). I have no idea how to implement that right now, but SisQ delivered a bright chance here.

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 7:54 pm

I think the star trek vs star wars site has some interesting articles about shields

[mimesot]

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 9:35 pm

Last edited by mimesot on May 4th, 2009, 2:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Concerning shields, starfleet determined that most damage is cause at the moment of impact witch lead the the development of pulse phasers. I am just pointing that out so you can use it to help develop your theory.

Indeed this is a helpful fact, and I believe that is a must for any shield, which has non-stationary behaviour. I hope it will be OUR theory some day, and you are certainly invited to join the developement too.

I think the star trek vs star wars site has some interesting articles about shields

There are so many sites covering that topic. Please can you tell me which one you refer to. I piched http://www.st-v-sw.net/ but it offers no applicable informations.

EDIT: Wrong! I oversaw some important articles. I'll see what is useful for our purpose.

Latly I ready following:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Shields/index.html ... Highly detailed information about what shields can do, bot none, about how they do it. Further you can find many calculators there and a great section about ST-myths. It also shows, how inconsistent canon is (:lol: so FO canon is what we believe to be plausible it seems), and further drifts into that everlasting, undecided and redundant quarrel about which univere is better.

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 10:04 pm

Try  the site  Ex-Astris Scientia web site  look up Deflector sheilds. Also try some of the Tech manuals you may find  they  might give a understandable  but not  too techno babble  full  description. Ill look in my  Referance/Tech manuals this weekend to see If I can find   a good simple desription.

I looked it up quite recently. The amount of objects discribed here is amazing, but I didn't find any information about the principle of shields. I hope you are successful with searching the manuals. I somehow feel uncertain, if there was ever a sentence about principle, I always heard about functions. Thank you in advance.

posted on May 3rd, 2009, 10:20 pm

In the german forum http://www.scifi-forum.de/science-fiction/star-trek-allgemein/st-technik/40924-h-lt-schutzschild-eigentlich.html mcWire describes mostly any effect with help of subspace-physics. This theory is indisputable under the assumption that theory of relativity is invalid, not only globally but also locally. I hope we find a different solution.

posted on May 4th, 2009, 3:54 am

Here http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWstnemram.html is and while it doesnt go into how they work it talks about how the shields respond to ramming.

posted on May 4th, 2009, 2:17 pm

Oh jeah, I just read this one. And I enjoyed to ralze how inconsistent canon is! *gg*

posted on May 7th, 2009, 11:40 am

Hey, for everyone who is capable of german language: I started that topic in the german scifi forum, and we got some interesting discussion there. See: http://www.scifi-forum.de/science-fiction/star-trek-allgemein/st-technik/56084-schild-theorien.html