New "Post Voyager" TV series in the works?

posted on August 28th, 2011, 8:22 am

Blame the "Customer" (ie. us) for "watering" down the things...
You know, everywhere I see Star Trek Fans I see them ranting about this and that and everything and eventually how they just want the same over and over again (most just having Picard talk the shit outta you) and are extremely hostile against ANY form of change.
That is the real problem!
We've seen it with Voyager (as you said) and Enterprise, Voyager got watered down as they "tried" to make it more "Trek" by just trying to Copy TNG as most probably just wanted...
Same with Enterprise (well here the Problem is of course more complex) as usual the first two seasons were... meh.. acceptable... third got better but the fourth was just nothing more then TNG Alpha 0.01 Version... of course there where great story arcs but it was the Problem the pressed it all into one season and they got to far away of the "First Warp 5 Ship and Exploration" theme in favor of trying to cater to the Vocal Minority that cried for more Jean-Luc...

And Jan, the Analysts are right in one thing... times have changed you would probably be chased out of any Studio with Pitchforks and Torches if you want to make a "scientific, diplomatic" Movie...

ST I was horrible... 2, 3, 5, 6 all had an Enemy, Drama and fight... 4 was "nothing more" than a light Comedy packaged within Star Trek with a missed opportunity on a real Comment, all this "We killed the Whales and now die because of it" was deeply buried beneath Spock with Memory Problems, Kirks next Bed intrusion and "Nucleear Wessels"...
People want either Comedies, Action Movies or Romantic Comedies...

That is sadly where the Money lies and if we want more Star Trek we have to adapt...
You can't expect the majority of the Movie goers to suddenly embrace philosophical questions inside movie about scientific discovery...

You are right in a way. But my point was the soup and the spice. I love new stuff done to a fanchise. But I hate it if it gets primitive as it has become with Abrams. It's as simple as that. ST XI is primitive. I tell you that. CBS and all the jerks that were involved with that franchise became first tired from doing it, they lost the vision. then they started to keep the thing alive like a cramp in the leg whcih produced stuff like Nemesis and Enterprise. Then they found it not to work as they thought and dumbed it down. That's why P. Stewart were so pissed when saying that this was the last movie with him. They should have put people like him in charge and not cripple an artists skills and imaginations of how a movie should look and feel like with a result of economic statistics and a future plan of how a movie should look like to fit sponsors' interests. That is the wrong way, it will lead to a movie that is done for money's sake in the first place. If you let economic forces allow to rule over your existence, crap like we have seen is being produced. That's how it works todays and what makes you as a producer and director shackled in the corner. So that's what they did (and the had to as our system does not allow any other way) and planned a redo of the franchise according to that. that was the long time silence around Star Trek.

What came next was the glorious Abrams who was pulled out of the box with lots of tam tam and hype. CBS catched all Trekkers and non trekkers alike. That payed out. Next time it won't, I'm pretty sure. Bite me if I'm wrong. Trek will become very fluctuating in future which is highly risky and we might end there where Babylon 5 did.


The old Star trek had lots of potential to extend. A decent story, even a bigger trilogy style time for Trek would have served the franchise well. For an unknown reason they did choose a way of total upend to revive the franchise. How stupid! They hooked up on the casual train of dumbass feed with more special effects than brain. Why? Inception, Matrix, LotR - they show that people do not hesitate to watch a brain movie. The had the right balance between a good plot and action, while they focussed on the plot, which is the real art.

[Anonymous]

posted on August 28th, 2011, 9:17 am

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Inception, Matrix, LotR - they show that people do not hesitate to watch a brain movie.

So you mock ST09 and then go on and call Matrix a "Brain Movie"? Matrix and Inception were actual No-Brainers buried deep beneath Special Effects, LotR was probably watched by the minority of actual goers because of it's plot (because they knew the books), most, surely, watched them just for the impressive fight scenes.

And the Problem does not lie within "Sponsor Interests" it lies solemnly in the customer!
The wouldn't even make enough money to pay for shipping the copies of the movie when they don't go for the average of the movie goers!

The problem lies within what you are doing... you expect every average movie goer to be just like you were they are not, they couldn't be any farther away!
Todays average Person doesn't care for Plot, Reason, Philosophical Implications or even a "love scene" (when it doesn't involve tig ol' bitties hopping all over the screen) when there are flashy lights and big bad robots fighting... and you know what? THEY are the one that actually pay the directors, actors and who else is entangled in the process of making a movie NOT the Brave Intellectual Ones.

We are still in the year 2011 and not 2378, anything and everything that is done is done because of money... we still haven't surpassed this and probably won't for a long time either!
And EVERY Movie from 1 to 11 was solemnly made for moneys sake... or do you really think Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley and Roddenberry did them just in their free time to have some fun together?

posted on August 28th, 2011, 7:19 pm

Selor I really don't want to turn this into "who is right" discussion. What I observed in the last 12 years make me say this. it is not the customers who deside what they watch. It's an illusion to believe your are  free of influence. Business nowadays is created. Believe it or not. We are not free but a victim of those who make what you want. And what you want in turn again is created by them. Each advert, each movie and each click on your mouse button while in the web makes you become closer where and how they want you to be. The most common term for that is "branding". When you see a Doca Cola running around on this board do you have to think about the taste of your last coke? I do. I think they even strive for more control and the clever thing about it is that you don't even realize it. you think it's you who desides whilest they have desided for you already. It's exactly like a google dude sayed in the beginning of this year: "Soon we are going to tell our customers what they want before they even know what they want".

Make your customers believe a piece of shit tastes like chocolate and they will buy it. Heck they will even eat it with joy! Just watch McDonalds!

CBS was well aware of where they want to go and what their long time goal was for us.

Putting together a market research plan?, Business-Building Information


They benefit from what is ment to be the casual trend (where the money lies) which is created and controlled by the media (in the past this was the state e.g. UDSSR and their propaganda). Media in any form formed you as you are today to a big portion (next to your social environment and genetics).

From this background I don't think that the customer desides, it just looks like it. Did you know that facebook knows about you even though you don't know them?

posted on August 28th, 2011, 8:35 pm

Great idea.  I like the idea of the ferengi and how it will effect the powers. The klingons should stay with the feds if Martok is emperor. they should put Excalibur. 

posted on August 29th, 2011, 4:08 am

Great idea.  I like the idea of the ferengi and how it will effect the powers. The klingons should stay with the feds if Martok is emperor. they should put Excalibur. 

Sarcasm I hope.

posted on August 30th, 2011, 2:44 am

I am not going to believe anything from rumour mills until something official is announced. I like both old and new Trek but I would like to see a series set sometime after Voyager running along side the new Trek. I would love a new series that could have TNG and Voyager members appearing in at least guest roles, Perhaps have Riker's Titan appear in a episode or two, or perhaps Voyager.

But I want to see a series with a set in stone 7 year run, not cancelled after it was getting good in season 4. I am so feed up with so bastard networks screwing with shows and cancelling them when they don't get their own way. Sliders, Farscape, Enterprise, V and the list goes on. I am so feed up with them that I would love shows to find a way to make it worthwhile and profitable enough to do away with the networks and either have direct to dvd series or their own network that doesn't cancel shows like all the US networks do.

posted on September 11th, 2011, 8:19 am

Personally, I would love to see a new trek series out there, even if the plotline isnt the best. Star Trek is a long running thing, and they SHOULD keep making new things for it. Think of how sad itd be 50 yrs from now if no one was interested in ST anymore
I hope Star Trek continues to be around for many, many years

posted on September 11th, 2011, 12:05 pm

I agree, A new trek series would be great, as long as it's close to canon...
what I am wondering though, is why does every trek series have to be about the Feds,
why not a new series about the Romies or the Klinks...
(almost) everything about the Feds is done before.. but a series about the romies would be very interesting I'd think.... maybe something about the TalShiar (as some where wondering if a series about Section 31 would be good..)

just my thoughts..

[Majestic]

posted on September 13th, 2011, 12:25 am

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Canon? "When is Star Trek ever accurate to canon?" - Adm_Z

A quote I live by these days.

I would like to see a new series that is totally different and doesn't use the lame excuse of sticking with canon to cover any failing on it's part.

I think canon is just an excuse for a poor imagination.


A new series I think they should either:

• Do a Earth-Romulan War Series (Perhaps set in another parallel universe and timeline so not to mess with Enterprise)
• A post Nemesis series, perhaps set in the early 25th century
• A series set totally in another parallel universe like the Mirror Universe where things are opposite, but not so much. Set again in another time frame, perhaps the TLE or between ENT and TOS where you explore what happen after "A Mirror Darkly".

That's just my opinion however, one of many. 

posted on September 13th, 2011, 2:15 am

This is unlikely to enamor me to anyone here... but...

A new “Star Trek” series that would “return [the iconic sci-fi brand] to its original series roots” is in the early stages of development, one of the “Star Trek” Web sites – TrekWeb.com — is reporting.

Sounds like the preface for the last Star Trek movie... and we don't need to go into how devicive that was among Trek fans as a whole... except to say it was devicive.

Producer David Foster – whose production company is called 1947 Entertainment — tells the site that he’s been working on a new “Star Trek” series for several years, but has not made an official pitch to any network.

Have you looked at the guys website?

It doesn't look like this guy has professionally produced anything... so it's unlikely CBS/Paramount would trust him with the reins of a new Trek series. Maybe what he's done is good, but there are YouTube channels with more original Star Trek stuff then this guy is sharing.

In the interview with TrekWeb, the producer revealed a deep knowledge of all the “Star Trek” spinoff series and movies. And while he’s a fan of all of them, he wants his new version to reflect creator “Gene Roddenberry’s positive view of the future.”

He went on to provide a number of details (except for the series title, which he did not divulge). “The series is set in the post-‘Voyager’ era,” he said, “and is designed to return ‘Star Trek’ to its original series roots in big and mighty ways, without disregarding the other series and movies. As [the 2009 movie “Star Trek,” directed by J.J. Abrams] was an alternate timeline, [the series] will not conflict with [it]. The co-creators [of the new series] are avid believers in Gene Roddenberry’s positive view of the future and intend to bring ‘Star Trek’ back to its origins while moving forward with the timeline, integrating the best aspects of each of the previous series.

Heard it before.

Gene Rodenberry created a fantastic universe, but even he disagreed with the militiristic integration of the Federation and shared these thoughts on a regular basis while he was still alive. It's unlikely Star Trek would be anything like it is today if it stayed purely "Rodenberry-esque". That's not to say it wouldn't be good... it would just be VERY different.

Personally, I think Rodenberry was an idealist. Once Star Trek became conflict-based (with resolutions coming from attempting peace, but resorting to violence when neccessary) Rodenberry started to disagree. Unfortnately, it's the way things would operate, even in the future.

Basically, it's good PR to say you're returning Trek roots, but in the end, it's unlikely the fan base, at large, would agree with the ideology Rodenberry had because, after a while, it would become rather boring. Conflict drives stories, not the innovative ways we've already overcome them, which is what Star Trek would have been if conflict didn't lead to more conflict.

“The series is highly energized with a much younger cast,” he continued...

... oh Jesus. Please don't...

... “and uses cutting-edge future technologies with newly envisioned special effects and designs.

So it's good story telling and great visuals?

Hot damn!

/sarcasm

It includes Klingons, Ferengi, Andorians, Vulcans, Trill, and many more. The Klingons are getting very restless since the Praxis incident forced them to come to the peace tables, and are tired of having to rely on the Federation for support. The Ferengi have discovered a vast new resource that has propelled them towards instant riches and power beyond anything they have previously experienced.”

Oh, I can see it now. The same lectures of Stalin and Marx we heard periodically in TNG, but amplified... and now with a healthy dose of evil capatalism from a powerful Ferengi antagonist.

The producer says he he’s produced an outline of the concept that is so detailed that it could run for 5-7 seasons. However, with no network stepping forward yet to pick it up, there’s no way of determining if this new “Star Trek” will ever live long and prosper.

It shan't.. and shouldn't.

5 - 7 seasons? Ever heard of just writing a story and putting it on TV? Why does it have to be a stress test to see how long you can generate revenue before it becomes unprofitable? Why does science fiction have to be treated like a sitcom?

Meanwhile, Abrams discloses in another story posted on TrekWeb that he’s hard at work developing a sequel to his 2009 movie. And he said he’d be “open to the idea” of working on a new “Star Trek” TV series.

Just not with this guy, otherwise he would have said so.

I'm sorry. I like Star Trek. I mean, there's a lot going for it and if you ignore what's canon and what fits intowhat timeline, there are some REALLY smart stories and really classic characters and there are still a lot of years left in this universe... and we shouldn't be so anxious to jump on anything that bears the Star Trek label in the hopes of being recognized as the most rabid fan alive.

posted on September 14th, 2011, 2:50 pm

A new series I think they should either:

• Do a Earth-Romulan War Series (Perhaps set in another parallel universe and timeline so not to mess with Enterprise)

I'd like that and i'm pretty sure the fan base would as well.

• A post Nemesis series, perhaps set in the early 25th century

Although it would be interesting to see what happens after Nemesis i'm not sure how this would play out.
Who would be the nemesis. Klingons, Dominion and Romulans are all done and with a Federation/ Klingon alliance i do not see how Romulus could pose enough of a threat.

Exploration and ship lost far away are both done.

• A series set totally in another parallel universe like the Mirror Universe where things are opposite, but not so much. Set again in another time frame, perhaps the TLE or between ENT and TOS where you explore what happen after "A Mirror Darkly".

The mirror universe is/was interesting for a couple of episodes but i don't think the fans can long term identify with an evil earth empire amongst the stars.

posted on September 19th, 2011, 12:55 am

I gotta agree with majestic on the earth/rom war thing, Ive said as much myself on many occasions.

The big thing is it would have to ignore Enterprise or it would end up being pretty damned silly.

Past that we have a LOT of 'past conflicts' refrenced thruout TNG/DS9 that could also easily produce a TV series, earth rom war being just one of them, but then fed/cardi conflict as well would be neat, imagine a series in which the Ambasador class was the best the Federation had....

Hell they could even do section 31 episodes where the spais in leather go to Bajor and supply lots of neat kit that lets them cause a lot of trouble for the cardies, they could even have a young miles o'brien appear near the end of the series.

posted on September 19th, 2011, 2:36 am

I know I heard somewhere or read that the Enterprise NX-01 played a major role in the Earth-Romulan War, and in the new books other than the non-sense with Commander Tucker and his whole "hoax death" when that is surely supposed to happen after the Earth-Romulan War when the Federation is chartered and the NX-01 is turned into a museum; have Captain Archer in charge of an entire fleet against the Romulans and at the Rank of Commodore.

Pretty good in my opinion and the books would be good to be a TV show or movies involving the Earth-Romulan War excpept sticking to canon about the fact that the Trip-T'Pol relationship ended before the war even started.

If the whole thing about T'Pol's father even being a Romulan was true, it is highly likely that she would be either drummed out of Starfleet (Since she resigned her commision with the Vulcan High Command and was planning on joining Starfleet in Season 4) or arrested and charged with being a spy or something.

posted on September 19th, 2011, 11:14 am

I'd even be happy to have a movie set in the Earth-Romulan war, it's a event in Star Trek history that has been mentioned in every Star Trek series (except ENT) and has never been explored only mentioned in passing and I think if done correctly would be one of the best movies to date.

posted on September 19th, 2011, 4:20 pm

Don't think this series is gonna happen;

Quote; "The Klingons are getting very restless since the Praxis incident forced them to come to the peace tables, and are tired of having to rely on the Federation for support"
unquote

The klingons have been at war with the federation since the Praxis incident and have made new peace since the enterprise C sacrificed itself to help a klingon outpost......