New "Post Voyager" TV series in the works?

posted on August 25th, 2011, 9:23 pm

Apologies if this has been brought up before, but a cursory glance at the board didn't show anything. I just read an article (found here Proposed New 'Star Trek' Would Return Series to Its 'Roots' | XFINITY TV News) talking about a possible new TV series.

From what I read, it sounds like the creator has a thoroughly fleshed out concept that holds more in common with the ideals and ideas behind TNG then DS9/VOY, but is set some time after VOY in the main time line. however no networks have picked it up as of yet it seems.

Thoughts and opinions? I for one would love to see Trek return to TV, would give me a reason to turn mine on again. I'd also very much like to see the "Main" time line continued and explored further. As a bonus, no mention was made of either BB or RB being associated with it so.. that's a plus.

posted on August 25th, 2011, 10:52 pm

however no networks have picked it up as of yet it seems

Sounds alot like a rumor to me then.

posted on August 25th, 2011, 10:56 pm

“The series is highly energized with a much younger cast,” he continued, “and uses cutting-edge future technologies with newly envisioned special effects and designs. It includes Klingons, Ferengi, Andorians, Vulcans, Trill, and many more. The Klingons are getting very restless since the Praxis incident forced them to come to the peace tables, and are tired of having to rely on the Federation for support. The Ferengi have discovered a vast new resource that has propelled them towards instant riches and power beyond anything they have previously experienced.”

Ferangi as expansionist antagonists ?

Riiiiiiiight.


And why the hell do they even mention Praxis, by the time of the post Voyager era, it had ceased to be a factor as the Klinks HAD fully recovered.

posted on August 25th, 2011, 11:19 pm

still could be good looking forward for more info

posted on August 26th, 2011, 1:15 am

"the ferengi have discovered a vast new resouce that has propelled them towards instant riches and power beyond anything they have previously experienced"

Oh I could have fun with this.

Like latinum replicators (I know its supposedly impossible...)?(lots of) Latinum nebulae? Q? Sensibility? Self-Restraint?

And srsly. The Ferengi are not communists at all. Why would they share what they have with any of their own people in general (Maybe not counting families SOMETIMES!). And even if it is THAT GREAT, what is gonna happen? They all get along and actually take up communism or whatever, like all community effort all the time because there is so much richness that they don't even need to be greedy??

Because I can't imagine them getting in the way of that much. If they were helpfull. But also I can't imagine them being written in as good guys. Just neutral or bad guys like before.

And Praxis? lolwut?

posted on August 26th, 2011, 3:41 am

I literally just read the TR article on this before coming here.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/08/breaking_guy_has_an_idea_for_a_new_star_trek_serie.php

Bottom line for people not interested in reading it, it's not happening.  Or at least, that's the hard line argument Rob puts forth, with strong examples of other cases and how the "business" works.

posted on August 26th, 2011, 6:16 am

The plot is so utterly stupid that even Jar Jar Abrams would laugh at it before using it to wipe.

posted on August 27th, 2011, 4:55 pm

There is too much established technobabble, a new series would either hav gaping plotholes from not using it or hav to outright contradict earlier canon.
A rebooted series or one taking place before TNG (seeing a Soyuz-class doing stuff after STVI perhaps) would be better I think.

posted on August 27th, 2011, 5:31 pm

I'd highly appreciate a series that captures the original time line and focusses on the strength of TNG and DS9. It really is not too hard to accomplish which had made me very...suspecious  in the past why the heck they produced such a heavy crap at CBS. With Abrams they hired a guy who's principles and way of making movies differ a lot from previous heads. I don't like his style when it is applied on Star Trek. I like his style when he is doing other SciFi movies. star trek for me is and always will be a mixture of exploration, social critisism and action (predominantly space combat). I'd also not hesitate to like a ground based story on a far beyond star system threatened by an alien race. Trilogy style. all that counts is that battle (action) is always the spice in the soup and not the soup itself. Abrams does not have that kind of sensivity - or better - he refuses to apply it as it does not fit his imaginations of making a good movie. That's his beer. I want my Star Trek back that has a sens of value and dreamful future. Why must it be Star Wars all the time? Just because analysts believe non combat has lower support by the people? They are wrong on that. People who ran to the movie 2009 were mostly people that had severe Star Trek withdrawal symptoms.

posted on August 27th, 2011, 5:42 pm

i agree on that jan, jj's trek was a completely different animal. but that was what we expected. i would have prefered more old trek, but sadly nobody wants to produce it any more. i'd rather have jj's different trek than no trek at all.

i think nemesis had a lot of the properties you describe of jj's trek. that's why it wasnt so well received. redlettermedia had a good point when he described how nemesis was an action movie. and contrasted it against a tng episode, where the climax was people walking to a cargo bay. and i agree with that analysis that i was more captivated by that climax, than by the silly fistfight riker had with that orc.

the space battles were nice to look at, but it rather seemed like they "were the soup" as you put it. and it made a rather 1 tone bland soup. tng/ds9 episodes may have had smaller budgets and less pew pew, but the soup of a good plot tasted good. damn good.

now im hungry, gonna go have myself a curry ive been looking forward to all day. 

posted on August 27th, 2011, 8:32 pm

lol... a good one, mate!

posted on August 27th, 2011, 8:38 pm

I'd highly appreciate a series that captures the original time line and focusses on the strength of TNG and DS9. It really is not too hard to accomplish which had made me very...suspecious  in the past why the heck they produced such a heavy crap at CBS. With Abrams they hired a guy who's principles and way of making movies differ a lot from previous heads. I don't like his style when it is applied on Star Trek. I like his style when he is doing other SciFi movies. star trek for me is and always will be a mixture of exploration, social critisism and action (predominantly space combat). I'd also not hesitate to like a ground based story on a far beyond star system threatened by an alien race. Trilogy style. all that counts is that battle (action) is always the spice in the soup and not the soup itself. Abrams does not have that kind of sensivity - or better - he refuses to apply it as it does not fit his imaginations of making a good movie. That's his beer. I want my Star Trek back that has a sens of value and dreamful future. Why must it be Star Wars all the time? Just because analysts believe non combat has lower support by the people? They are wrong on that. People who ran to the movie 2009 were mostly people that had severe Star Trek withdrawal symptoms.

What I would love to see, is not just a return to the loftier ideas explored in TNG/DS9, but also a more mature Trek series. The further along the series got (from TNG to ENT) the more antiseptic they became, I want a Trek that is comfortable enough with it's maturity to explore things like sexuality. Something Trek has *never* been good at, any story that included even a hint of sex was either written like a high school health textbook or completely ignored in favor of bizarre alien biological processes akin to the stork myth.

Frakes even expressed disappointment in the one episode TNG ever did commenting on the struggles of homosexuals, and DS9's attempt at the same topic was undermined by the fact they used scientific goble-de-gook to make the couple in question "technically straight". Particularly in our time when the Civil Rights movement is so forefront in the news and people face discrimination each day in regard to orientation based bigotry - that is the kind of social commentary trek does best if they would just address the topic head on like they have others (notably the topic of race in TOS).

I guess in a new series I'd like to see the ideals behind TNG and TOS blended with the mature style of BSG (that is to say, unafraid to explore hard concepts head on - not that every character should be a soap opera style emotional train wreck). Towards the end of the tv series with Voyager and Enterprise trek writers just became more and more averse to taking risks with their stories, even when voyager rehashed "Measure of a Man" (one of TNGs best episodes) with the Doctor fighting for his rights - the whole theme was watered down and felt more like it was being written with kid gloves.

On a side note: I actually really liked JJ's trek (the humor and the chemistry between the characters seemed very reminiscent of TOS to me), though I do see what your saying and agree to an extent. I also get a chuckle when people criticize trek 09 for having scientific plot holes, while I cringe every time I watch it and they talk about the super nova destroying a galaxy and moving faster then the federations "fastest vessel"  I also remember that one of the most successful TOS movies revolved around retrieving whales from the past to communicate with an alien probe that looked like a paper towel roll wrapped in tin foil.

posted on August 27th, 2011, 9:08 pm

Blame the "Customer" (ie. us) for "watering" down the things...
You know, everywhere I see Star Trek Fans I see them ranting about this and that and everything and eventually how they just want the same over and over again (most just having Picard talk the shit outta you) and are extremely hostile against ANY form of change.
That is the real problem!
We've seen it with Voyager (as you said) and Enterprise, Voyager got watered down as they "tried" to make it more "Trek" by just trying to Copy TNG as most probably just wanted...
Same with Enterprise (well here the Problem is of course more complex) as usual the first two seasons were... meh.. acceptable... third got better but the fourth was just nothing more then TNG Alpha 0.01 Version... of course there where great story arcs but it was the Problem the pressed it all into one season and they got to far away of the "First Warp 5 Ship and Exploration" theme in favor of trying to cater to the Vocal Minority that cried for more Jean-Luc...

And Jan, the Analysts are right in one thing... times have changed you would probably be chased out of any Studio with Pitchforks and Torches if you want to make a "scientific, diplomatic" Movie...

ST I was horrible... 2, 3, 5, 6 all had an Enemy, Drama and fight... 4 was "nothing more" than a light Comedy packaged within Star Trek with a missed opportunity on a real Comment, all this "We killed the Whales and now die because of it" was deeply buried beneath Spock with Memory Problems, Kirks next Bed intrusion and "Nucleear Wessels"...
People want either Comedies, Action Movies or Romantic Comedies...

That is sadly where the Money lies and if we want more Star Trek we have to adapt...
You can't expect the majority of the Movie goers to suddenly embrace philosophical questions inside movie about scientific discovery...

posted on August 27th, 2011, 9:22 pm

please dont put 5 in the same list as 2. that offends me 

even though 2 had an enemy, it was skilfully done. kirk and khan didnt need to have a fistfight or anything, they never even appeared in the same scene together. the big climax wasnt kirk punching khan in the balls, it was spock fixing a technobabble thingy and dying. there was class in 2. and the enemy had a reason for being there, we were clearly given khan's motivations and he was a 3 dimensional villain.

shinzon we saw his reasons, but he was a bit clichéd and tacky, he was completely 2 dimensional. shinzon set a pretty low bar...

which jj trek easily did the limbo under with nero. angry tatood romulan miner came back in time and being a walking cliché wanted to blow up earth for some reason. i mean spock pissed him off by trying to save his race and failing, so then he destroys vulcan, but then decides he has to kill earth. maybe cos spock was half human or something.

yawn.

4 may not have been like the other trek's, but i think it was a great movie. it had a quirky time travel plot and it didnt take itself very seriously, it was light hearted fun, and it did everything it set out to do. i think that's why most people are quite happy with it.

posted on August 28th, 2011, 6:18 am

If they DID do a new trek series, they have so much to work with

1- Earth/Rom war is one possibility, but the crap from Ent would make it harder to an extent.
2- Any of the 'between series' time periods. pre-TOS thru the organians forcing a klink/fed peace  would be one great opprotunity, have it be based on one of the smaller fed ships, their fighting klinks, orion pirates, etc.
3- Any of the numerous border conflicts between the TMP era and TNG, from cardies to smaller wars, etc, same as above, just track a ship and its crew doing exploring and fighting..

Well past that it's all easy to do, all of those ideas have one key idea in common: You're NOT telling some new LOL UNTOLD STORY you're just dabbling in the sand box, and giving the fans some fun.

And that's what trek needs, something basic but true to the basic trek theme.