Looking for some Star Trek games....

posted on May 24th, 2010, 8:37 am

Trek games are infamous for being crap because most are crap. Even worse if they try to add canon.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 10:04 am

silent93 wrote:Just don't make the mistake of hoping that Star Trek: Conquest is decent. It's crap.

indeed and i have played a few mp rounds against others, tbh i didnt have a clue what i did and won 3 rounds and lost one, i stopped playing it right after as i didnt have a clue with conquest.
away team was insanely impossible after several missions, micromanagement of 4 people to 6 people is more difficult because of map objects like security cameras or a borg walking past, or a vulcan warden just about to come into range, etc.
legacy was no good and its control system interface was terrible, the under hull damage effect was crap and when ships explode, the debris somehow shrinks into nothing, there were some mods, i liked the ENT era scout ship and nova class ship, somehow i could destroy romulan warbirds with the nova and bird of prey with the ent scout, the Prometheus could destroy anything and the defiant took forever, right.. :rolleyes:

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hidden evil was too easy and predictable.
elite force had most notably several large bugs that were exploited.
ef2 was ef1 with more graphics, nothing new.
the fallen had dire graphics, several bugs included.
dominion wars was way too linear and became too easy.
bridge commander was not very attractive looking, the ships looked okay and was alright in combat on autopilot, but it had several major flaws in the attack strategy of the AI, even on player control, it wasnt easy.

i could go on really. none of em were that good, makes me crave for the good old days of RTCW:ET mp matches and xpsave... that held my interest more.

KL0K

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posted on May 24th, 2010, 10:30 am

away team was not that hard, after you get the grip.
its just a game like commandos where you have to overthink your actions n just cant clickaround brainless in realtime. its more of a strategy game - and fun, if you ask me.
legacy could have been a real good game, but they screwed up the controls with killed the atmosphere.
plus it felt to arcadish to take it serious.
dominion wars was short but fun in its own way. and yeah it was to linear. but the overall approach was good and it had a smooth learning curve.
i never liked bridge commander that much - sure it was fun to take the captains seat, giving out orders to the crew n stuff - but i missed something essential - the possibility to leave the chair n go on missions, like in EF1&2. EF2 is one of my favorites, specially the part on the romulan homeworld (or was it an outpost? i dunno).

posted on May 24th, 2010, 10:37 am

That little flaw in BC (which some claim made it fall short of being one of the truly greats) is something the new Excalibur game is evidently meant to fix.

It was an an Outpost of the Empty Crown, I think.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:11 am

Excalibur looks like it will take along time to be released, im not holding my breathe on it because of the sheer timescale and the detail being put into it. i wouldnt expect a release until 2014 at this rate!

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:12 am

Last edited by TParis on May 24th, 2010, 11:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

Tyler wrote:Trek games are infamous for being crap because most are crap. Even worse if they try to add canon.

Disagree. End of story. They are infamous because they are Star Trek and I have already pointed out the basic reason. Star Trek is a far less accpeted franchise than Stwar Wars, LOTR or even the Matrix, even though it's very big. Read rest of my post.

@Kl0K: You just try to see everything bad in the games. That's poor. Elite Force was often named one of the best ST games ever and it wasn't even nearly as buggy as you said. Otherwise it wouldn't have any online player left. Same for Elite Force 2.

I can't believe how many dudes here hated past Star Trek titles. There was really a lot of good stuff. Elite Force 1&2 were very good shooters, Klingon & Starfleet Academy had a great atmosphere & story, Armada 1 was great, Away Team was fun but nothing new, Starfleet Command in general was very good but surely not everyone's taste, Bridge Commander was awesome for it's time and still is a fan favorite, a Final Unity is legendary. And that's just the stuff I have played. Lacking perfection and a few flaws don't make these crappy games.

And just look what the press said:
Search Results from Metacritic.com

For example the press didn't like Armada 2 too much. And I can understand, it wasn't a good successor to Armada: average campaign, very bad balance, serious bugs. And ye I can say that, I have been playing A2 online in a clan for several years. For some reason it was still fun.

Crap are many of the "recent" titles like D-A-C, Conquest and Encounters. Legacy and Tactical Assault are mediocore; they have serious flaws gameplay wise. Conquest Online was bad and also New Worlds was a crappy RTS (some people think differently about that one).

Here is a possible gem that has never been released. Such a shame:

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:16 am

Last edited by Tyler on May 24th, 2010, 11:20 am, edited 1 time in total.

At its prime, most Trek games weren't good. Trek-related isn't the problem; it's one of the largest and most well-known fictions around.

A long-running science-fiction franchise which is one of the most recognizable and influential fiction universes in television history

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:22 am

Last edited by TParis on May 24th, 2010, 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

As I have pointed out 80% of ST titles weren't bad and around 50% are good. And yes, Trek related IS a problem for the games being unfamous. Size alone doesn't make a franchise appealing to a wide audience.

Star Trek fans are often laughed about (and no, I don't talk about running around in uniforms and stuff), it's just sad. In contrast to that most people wouldn't compain about guys running around in Storm Trooper uniforms. Star Wars is much better received by the general audience and that's a fact.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:26 am

i dont have a problem with st games, i just have a problem with the designers shooting themselves in the foot by releasing the games well before they should be out, because of other big titles that may try to usurp the audience for a certain market quarter they wanted to release it. legacy was a perfect example.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:28 am

Last edited by TParis on May 24th, 2010, 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

That is a general problem with games on PC and consoles alike. There are few exceptional developers though which manage to release their games in a close-to-perfection state (titles by Capcom, Blizzard and Nintendo). Though, well, yeah... mostly big named titles. :sweatdrop:

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:33 am

Last edited by Tyler on May 24th, 2010, 11:39 am, edited 1 time in total.

Sci-Fi fans in general are mocked (including the 'nerds living in their parents basement' opinion), they don't limit it to 1 series in particular.

Where did you point anything out? You just mentioned a few popular games and ignored most (how did you mentioned New Worlds but miss out Birth if the Federation?).

We're going nowhere, lets just end it.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:43 am

Tyler wrote:Sci-Fi fans in general are mocked (including the 'nerds living in their parents basement' opinion), they don't limit it to 1 series in particular.

Where did you point anything out? You just mentioned a few popular games and ignored most (how did you mentioned New Worlds but miss out Birth if the Federation?).

why should a nerd in their mothers basement care what you think? he or she wanted to do that, so be it, it shouldnt be upto the other envious jealous people to say what that nerd does with their life..

ive always been sci-fi and car racing fan for as long as i have been alive, i dont care what others think of me because i am happy with what i got and who i am :lol:

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as for the games, there have been games of all series excluding enterprise, that brief cameo appearance of the nx class in legacy, no other game has the enterprise specific game, i know there is a half-life 2 enterprise modification coming along, i am uncertain how long it would take. hopefully not long.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:51 am

Last edited by TParis on May 24th, 2010, 12:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Tyler wrote:Sci-Fi fans in general are mocked (including the 'nerds living in their parents basement' opinion), they don't limit it to 1 series in particular.

Well, as I said, SW has far more acceptance here than ST and as far as I can tell it's the same in the US. Even though ST is much bigger. Might be that you have different experiences. But this is mine.

Tyler wrote:Where did you point anything out? You just mentioned a few popular games and ignored most (how did you mentioned New Worlds but miss out Birth if the Federation?).

We're going nowhere, lets just end it.

Yeah, just end the discussion if you're lacking arguments and didn't point out anything at all. I mentioned about 15 titles (!) (counting all titles of the Starfleet Command series) and also left a link to countless press reviews. I can tell only about games that I've played.

Ye I fogot BotF. How was it a bad game? maybe Master of Orion like games are just not your type. There is a difference between non-appealing and lacking quality.
And I also forgot about some very crappy games: the Starship Creators. Ughhh.

Well, here is a list of all ST games: Star Trek games - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Feel free to point out every single game.

Canny wrote:ive always been sci-fi and car racing fan for as long as i have been alive, i dont care what others think of me because i am happy with what i got and who i am .

That wasn't my point but it is a good spirit.

Canny wrote: i know there is a half-life 2 enterprise modification coming along, i am uncertain how long it would take. hopefully not long.

Better don't expect anything there, I think it is pretty much dead.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 11:58 am

Last edited by Tyler on May 24th, 2010, 12:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I like Birth of the Federation and similar games, search for it. Pretty much any review site will likely have a fair-sized list of problems inherent to it.