Is Star Trek dying in the theatres?

posted on August 18th, 2011, 1:12 am

Well the Rom neutral zone is fairly close to earth, considering it was formed after an EARTH (plus allies) war with the roms.

Odds are pretty much all ships in range showed up if not told to stay put.

As for Picard I always thought his strat was obvious.

The borg EXPECTED either random shots, random shots at 'important' targets, or important nodes being targeted.

Instead frenchie had them ALL hammer the *#& out of something unimportant.

The borg were not ready to repair that area, allowing massive damage to be done, which structurally weakend the ship enough to blow it up (that or the queen just decided to go lol self destruct, and run in the sphere because the cube was too damaged to time travel)

Of course that brings up a new question: Why not just time travel in the delta quadrant, take your time reaching earth, and assimilate earth during the TOS era......... although that would ahve been funny because with Kirks plot armor he would have just ripped his shirt, dropped his pants, twisted his hips, and batted that borg sphere for a home run BOOM.

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posted on August 18th, 2011, 1:19 am

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I have a feeling star trek is tie to the economy and conversations about whats possible.

When conversations are about survival the world TV shows become about that too. When the economy picks back up start track will too I have a feeling.

posted on August 18th, 2011, 10:24 am

Well the Rom neutral zone is fairly close to earth, considering it was formed after an EARTH (plus allies) war with the roms.

not necessarily. by the time of the earth (and allies) war vs romulans, both sides had at least warp 5. earth's allies had warp 6-7. the romulans probably had at least warp 5, but i'd bet on warp 6-7. that makes a war viable over some distance.

trek has some big problems with distance tho. in tng era the neutral zone is always painted as being not near earth. and the klingon homeworld of qonos, it doesnt feel close in tng, but in enterprise they can get to it rather fast.

forgetting distance, the enterprise wouldnt be the only ship at the neutral zone, starfleet would have defenders, maybe a whole fleet, seeing as the zone is so important. im surprised none of them followed picard home.

Of course that brings up a new question: Why not just time travel in the delta quadrant, take your time reaching earth, and assimilate earth during the TOS era......... although that would ahve been funny because with Kirks plot armor he would have just ripped his shirt, dropped his pants, twisted his hips, and batted that borg sphere for a home run BOOM.

red letter media had a similar idea. they could have also gone back to the stone age and wiped us all out, thus saving them a couple cube losses.

i never really liked the idea of the borg attacking earth. what's in it for them? their space is all in the delta quadrant, you'd think they would wanna expand their space first, rather than send a ship outside of their space, half way accross the galaxy to establish 1 lone bastion at earth. then be surrounded by the entire klingon, romulan, cardassian, tholian, gorn, ferengi and everyone elses fleets who dont wanna get assimed. it seemed pointless. the feds were no more advanced than many of the delta quad species we saw in voyager, in fact many of them were more of a threat than the feds. the hirogen had advanced tech, the devore, the krenim and all of the other bad guys of the week. but they go all the way to the federation, keeping in mind that the feds cant even get to borg space with their puny engines, it takes them decades to fly to borg space. but the borg still put them high on the todo list. it cant be about raw drones, as there are plenty of prospective drones in the dq. it cant be about tech. so maybe its about shitty writing.

posted on August 18th, 2011, 11:19 am

Or else the Queen just really wants Picard........

posted on August 18th, 2011, 1:45 pm

Picard feeld where the weakness was. So he knew it after ariving That other ships where oneshot while the defaint and ent took more then one hit was plotarmor .
That Borg can timetravel but don't timetravel to her beginning to make themselfe more perfect at the start is stupid. Maybe they have something like an timedirective. But then why they traveld back in time on earth... The part Picard knowing the weak spot was okay. The part that (the) (a) Borgqueen was onboard an traveld back in time was stuipid.
But any ST-Movie was stupid at some points. Often enough the series where ignored and the writers said something like "I make the world as I like it" Like this one Pippi Langstrumpf - Intro
- YouTube (for everybode who understand german language).

As for the distances. Was the warpscale of Ent the same as from TNG? The Solscale was refitet to warp and changed. We don't realy know how fast the Ent A was. So the Ent E just could be damn fast.

posted on August 23rd, 2011, 3:40 am

I don't like having to think things out for the writers, but taking a look at it from the Borg's point of view, this much is clear.
They have some sort of effect on Picard, somehow, at least with the nightmare at the start of the movie.

MAYBE (and only maybe), instead of Picard suddenly hating the Borg being some huge gaping plot hole that can never be explained, it is the Borg trying to influence Picard. He and the Borg were one, they knew everything about him. They knew that him getting angry would stop him from self destructing the ship. I mean, he did argue with a bunch of people about blowing the ship up, so that he could keep the ship and kill the Borg.

But the Borg basically separated the flagship of the federation from the fleet, and almost had it under their control. It getting blown up seems detrimental to the plan.

The whole thing about time travel seems to just make "paralell worlds" all the time. The Borg might have wanted to take the Enterprise, travel to Borg space, then return to the future, with the Enterprise safe wherever they want it, instead of actually changing a timeline.

If we just look at this from a "canon" point of view (instead of an action movie plot point of view, because in Sci-Fi action movies, you must threaten the Earth it seems nomatter what), the Borg gaining the Enterprise is all they have to gain with time travel in the movie.
Because the Borg believe they will be around forever, pretty much. They have assimilated optomists, pessimists, wise people, fools, criminals, saints, and even ideas like superheros, villians, mystic powers, and even Sci-Fi.

Thats right, Sci-Fi villians eat Sci-Fi. I mean, the whole ST universe is filled with people genetically related to humans, as well as all the other species. So you cant tell me that among all the thousands of species that have been partially or completly assimilated by the Borg, there was no ideas like that. From a certain point of view, the Borg care about everything. They don't need time travel to "win" because they realise that all points of time are relavent. They don't need to keep going back and doing moments over and over again because it is all part of their perfection in the end.

It is very late for me right now, and I am sorry if I have
-Gotten off topic in this reply to something already off topic
-Didn't make sense
-Didn't finish the topic I started
-Bored you to death
-Didn't see an episode that completly nullifies my every argument
-Did see an episode that completly nullifies my argument and forgot about it

or anything else.

And my answer to the poll is other. There is supposedly going to be a sequel to the movie. I would like to see how that goes first before saying GAA J00 ATE MY CHILDHOOD (anyone else been seeing startrek since age 1?). Who knows, maybe there will be some epic plot turn in which we see that not only did the Prime timeline contribute to the Alternate timeline, but the Alternate timeline contributed to the Prime timeline at some point.
(and if so, I hope it will be done well and not some cheap copout for something. It should be something that you can look at and say "that makes so much sense" instead of "um, what? ok if you say so JJ... never watched the old ST anyway.")
Goodnight

posted on August 25th, 2011, 11:03 pm

(and if so, I hope it will be done well and not some cheap copout for something. It should be something that you can look at and say "that makes so much sense" instead of "um, what? ok if you say so JJ... never watched the old ST anyway."

I doubt it I mean the whole reason for the creation of the alternate timeline was a supernova that was going faster than teh speed of light wiped out the romulans.

With that weak of a plot I REALLY doubt that Jar Jar Abrams is even capable of making something good.

posted on August 26th, 2011, 1:06 am

Wow. A lot of people seem to catch that star thing. I didn't in the movie, though, and didn't think it was that big a deal because it was a 40 second scene. And I didn't know that the Hobus star was even a real, named star. I don't see the reasoning behind that. Just like that song that keeps repeating Barbra Stritsand (probably not the proper spelling). You could put your own lyrics in for free, or pay royalties to repeat someones name over and over and no other words. WHY WOULD YOU CHOOSE THE LATTER???

Couldve even said (romulan sounding named star X) was (about to) blow up and was (and emminent threat to) the (romulan empire). When Spock got there in the L33tmobile, it was too late, and he dropped the (Substance X) into the critical mass sun, crushing it from within, and no longer would produce light or something. And Romulus died . Then epic generic ST plot twist made the L33tmobile go into a black hole and so did the Villianmobile. Like those things that happen like ``THERES SOMETHINGWRONG WITH THE INNERTIAL DAMPENERS! IM TRYING TO COMPENSATE!!!`` ``OH NO WE CANTBEAMJ00OUT!!`` ``IM GOING DOWN`` or something like that.
^jeez that was oddly reliving to write. Maybe im glad it sounds better than the Jar Jar Abrams (if you dont mind me using that, Tok`ra) version.
(Just wait, next movie they'll say "Universal warping from warp travel" caused the star to go that fast)
(Pun on global warming)

posted on August 26th, 2011, 6:28 am

^jeez that was oddly reliving to write. Maybe im glad it sounds better than the Jar Jar Abrams (if you dont mind me using that, Tok`ra) version.

Not at all.

And your version makes sense.

All they needed to do was have it be a star within a few light weeks of Romulus go Nova. No threaten galaxy BS, just have it threaten the Romulan system, and be close enough that they simply CANT evacuate all the billions in time due to the logistics of it.

Instead we get.....

1- Star goes Supernova and due to being a magical star kinda like the magic pixie dust of shield penetration the Akira uses in flops... hey maybe thats how it did it! .... due to being magical the star's explosion travels FTL and the blast does not dissipate, thus threatening the galaxy.

2- The only way to stop it is to create black holes to suck it up. The Romulans are the black hole EXPERTS. Black holes are the engine core's of their ship, really small black holes they make themselves. Yet somehow they're unable to shoot a few into this thing to save their capital.

3- Spock tries to get the Vulcans to assist..... they tell him to piss off, so he gets the 'jellyfish' (reall 'tarded name for it) and sets off anyway. This ignores the Vulcans letting an entire planets population die, which totally breaks with trek because the Vulcans are the freaking VEGITARIANS that hate conflict and death.

4- Spock fails....... of course spocks mission makes no sense, you would have to make black holes all arround the blast wave to dissipate it in all directions, or else that fragment you ignore may wipe out someone on the otherside of the galaxy.

5- Nero goes to hunt down spock, somehow deciding to blame the one person that put his arse on the line to STOP the disaster. Rather than take his ship and kamakazie the planet Vulcan at max impulse (IE: fast enough that the impact would kill off life on the planet)  he goes after spock

6- Spock/Nero fight, sucked into black hole. Somehow the tidal forces dont rip apart their ships, and instead they time travel

Now, past that whole core set up of the plot, the movie wasn't THAT bad.... aside from the ice world in the Vulcan system which was quite silly.