Is Star Trek dying in the theatres?

posted on May 31st, 2011, 4:47 pm

My main question is on the poll, I personally liked ST XI and I thought it was a good movie, but I don't think people should try and create a brand new universe based on Star Trek that tries to basically delete all that happens between the original series to Nemesis . Creating a new series is one thing, deleting everything else is really bad and I quote "That said, part of what we have to do is listen to it all, ask a lot of questions about what people’s expectations are — and then let all of that go when we sit down to write." probably means that we wont be seeing Picard or Janeway or their timeline any-more on TV which is sad I think . If they wanted imagination they could have just done it a century later like Kirk and Picard; I would have loved it if it would return to the original universe but I don't think there's any chance of that happening.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 4:58 pm

yes it was good but i liked the old one better.

star trek's had a long and brilliant history, but has built up a lot of mythology and canon, some would say baggage. you cant have the same writers forever, new writers have to come in and pitch new ideas, but then they are tied down by the mythology and requirement to keep things continuous. in a way a successful franchise brings about its own end.

also the profitability numbers werent fantastic for trek any more, as it had its massive backstory, new people werent jumping aboard.

thats why i think the new jjtrek was the only way trek could survive, it was either jjtrek or no trek.

dont get me wrong, being a fan of original trek, jjtrek often leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth, as it know its not quite right. but when i look at it and try to forget original trek, its not as bad. its still got things in common with old trek, and i still like it.

i prefer to do what the creators of jjtrek intended. dont see it as a killing off of old trek, dont see it as a direct replacement. see it as something else, something on its own, in its own universe. it doesnt delete the old trek, it just cant be a part of it. then i find that jjtrek is much more palatable. it doenst pretend to be old trek, dont try treat it as such.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 5:02 pm

Making a new reality for a continuity reboot works for comic books, so it should work for TV as well. They'll reach the same point eventually, though...

posted on May 31st, 2011, 5:17 pm

Well, after the third movie is done there is no doubt a good chance(50/50) that what comes next will be in the prime universe(post-NEM). Who knows alt Trek just might go to series and that would make way for a late 24th/early 25th century movie. Thats what I would like to see. And I find the whole "OMGZ ALL TEE PAST TREK IS NO MOREZ ITZ TEH GONEZ NOOOES!!!1" comments rather funny since obviously prime Trek is still happening along side this new reality. Prime Kirk will still be doing what he did in TOS and in the movies and all the events after in the 24th century will still happen. Trek is still happening beyond Nemesis. Again what happened in 2387 created this new alt timeline. Though many will say that it was even before that. 2371(First Contact) created Enterprise which explains the Kelvin and the already alt stardates and well the alt history seen in Enterprise in general. Plus Nimoy himself said that this had to be done. If Trek was to continue and be successful again this was the only way. Trek was getting stagnate 15 years ago before DS9 even ended so this was very necessary like it or not.

And yes I loved the movie and will no doubt the next two aswell.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 6:13 pm

I hope you guys are right.

If ST XI Kirk went back to the real Picard.
Season 6: Hey there's Scoty!
Generations: Hey there's Kirk
(Sisko):Its Kirk again.
(Picard) Post nemisis: Hey I know You guys from the 23rd C loves us but could you send some more people? helps with archaeology...

posted on May 31st, 2011, 6:25 pm

I think the TNG episode "Parallels" justifies ST XI. As the epic Plinkett says based on information presented throughout the series history is changing in Star Trek every 23 millionths of a second.

Whether you like or hate ST XI I think everyone will find this funny: Star Trek (’09) |

posted on May 31st, 2011, 6:27 pm

Parallels is how the creators of the film justified it, so they evidently know something about the universe they're working with.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 6:33 pm

Parallels is how the creators of the film justified it, so they evidently know something about the universe they're working with.

Which is more than Rick Berman ever did... For example, First Contact is stupid based on how Picard dealt with the Borg on TNG after he was Locutus... and the movie contradicts "I Borg" and "Descent" in many ways.

However; I liked the new movie in the context of being a reboot. It doesn't offend Star Trek, it doesn't offend the original cast and it doesn't offend the fans. Some details have a wrong feel (Starfleet Academy) however this movie was made for general audiences AND fans, not only for fans (like Generations was intended to be and totally sucked in every single frame). However, having so many things in the new movie that only a fan would recognize is amazing and shows the producers to have a heart for Star Trek, even though the pace and general mind-set is star-wars-like.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 6:39 pm

angry action movie picard was indeed silly.

i would have bought him being angry at the borg if they hadnt explicitly shown him to have dealt with it in tng. i mean being mind raped could easily break down even the mentally strong, and push them to cold rage and revenge and such. but only if they hadnt already put it to bed in the shows where picard deals with it and isnt angry any more.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 7:16 pm

even though the pace and general mind-set is star-wars-like.

Which again falls under the "they had to" part.

posted on May 31st, 2011, 7:57 pm

Which again falls under the "they had to" part.

I didn't mean to express bad feelings about this. I don't mind that at all, because a reboot mustn't be a copy-paste.

angry action movie picard was indeed silly.

i would have bought him being angry at the borg if they hadnt explicitly shown him to have dealt with it in tng.

In Descent it was clear Picard didn't hate the Borg anymore.

Also in Descent, Nechayev ordered Picard to lead a task-force of three Starfleet-vessels to investigate Borg-attacks on colonies. Which makes the beginning of First Contact a big practical joke on the audience. Namely Picard being banned from fighting the Borg-Cube although his loyalty was clearly to the federation and Starfleet all times before, for the sake of having a scene where he has to violate a direct order and to imply him saying "Fuck it, I'll do what I want".

posted on May 31st, 2011, 8:07 pm

They called specifically to tell him he wasn't allowed to join in, then he briefed the crew before telling them they're not allowed to join. Wouldn't the battle happen and anyone not already aware find out after?

posted on May 31st, 2011, 8:11 pm

They called specifically to tell him he wasn't allowed to join in, then he briefed the crew before telling them they're not allowed to join. Wouldn't the battle happen and anyone not already aware find out after?

That's a very good question. PM Rick Berman for an answer

posted on May 31st, 2011, 9:13 pm

well the battle wasnt small. the first sight of it was by ds5, obviously far from earth being a deep space station and not a starbase. so they spotted it travelling towards earth at warp, not transwarp. whether that is silly depends on what type of transwarp you believe in. sometimes you need pre built conduits, sometimes you just need a fancy coil shaped like a frisbee. anyway the fed fleet met the cube in the typhon sector, so they could shoot at it before it reached earth. they got their arses kicked and admiral hayes's ship got blown up. they trailed it to earth. if they were shooting all the way you would expect that they would have got their entire fleet killed in the hours it takes the ent e to warp back. so presumably the fleet just folllowed at a distance. and the ent e arrived with perfect timing at earth just as the cube was arriving, having once again ignored the shipyards at mars and the research stations in the rest of the sol system they went straight for earth. which for some reason has no orbital defences, no spacedock, no automated weapons, nothing. and then the rest is history.

so yeah they told picard to guard the back door when they went to the typhon sector. then picard listened in to the chatter and heard them dying pathetically and set a course for earth. presumably the travel time from wherever picard was to earth was about the same as the travel time from the typhon sector to earth. as picard has to conveniently arrive just in time to save earth (and mars - which didnt really need saving i guess, borg dont like mars)

posted on June 1st, 2011, 9:00 am

Angry Picard in FC might have had something to do with the Borg taking over the ship, destroying his mind and assimilating humanity. On its own it was a good movie,  but it clashed a bit with the series. but I think thats OK because its the same universe, the same characters, and they can go back to the dominion or wherever they were. in ST XI they just crossed the line of no return. whatever happens after that is altered; Picard , Sisko , Defiant , Galaxy class . everything is altered and has been remade, until they can get back to it. And I think the worst part is that it is continuation of the Universe, I think to really find it appealing is to forget everything that happened in Star Trek history and watch it. otherwise it gives a slight sense of emptiness "everything you know has been changed for good."