Is Star Trek dying in the theatres?

posted on June 16th, 2011, 6:54 am

Actually, Star Wars is much more then just 6 movies and a series, although be it a cartoon series. A lot of books came out and are still coming out for star wars. Though it still isn't as big as star trek though. But hey, what do you expect from 6 movies that everyone knows, against what, 6 series plus 12 movies for star trek? Also to note is that star wars started of as a trilogy of movies. Star trek started of as a series. Which was a weekly event.

Now back on topic.

posted on June 19th, 2011, 5:46 am

I voted "other" because I can no longer sit idly by while Star-Trek writers rape both the past, present, and future of the Star-Trek universe.  For instance one lonely Intrepid class ship taking on all sorts of Borg.  Or the crew of the original Enterprise finding Borg.....Or how, in DS9 and TNG they talked about how devastating Wolf 359 was to the Feds when they lost something like 15 ships, but then all of the sudden at the end of DS9 a fleet of feds is hundreds and hundreds of ships.

GRRRR!!

posted on June 19th, 2011, 8:36 am

a lot of the late stuff u can attribute to rick berman too. trek fans arent too fond of him any more.

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:02 pm

Or how, in DS9 and TNG they talked about how devastating Wolf 359 was to the Feds when they lost something like 15 ships, but then all of the sudden at the end of DS9 a fleet of feds is hundreds and hundreds of ships.

They had to compete with B5, whose universe consists of thousands of ships.  B5 actually showed all the space battles!

So then they were all like, "Hey don't we have a show where we can have space battles? "

Then the battles didn't make any sense, or they'd have really cool battles that they didn't show.

"Well, we lost DS9, but while that was happening, something really cool happened off-screen!  Don't you wish you could have seen that???!!!"

Yes, Rick.  We would have liked to have seen that battle, instead of looking at recycled footage of DS9's phasers and torpedoes firing...

[Tyler]

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:07 pm

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Wolf 359 was 39 dead ships, and that was only what was in range. We already know what Starfleet is like when it comes to ships in range of a big event.

It's surprising they had that many in the area, considering how close it was to Earth...

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:21 pm

Well, in space combat, you want large fleets defending important targets like Earth and Vulcan.

It's like how in Generations, they're near Earth, yet they're the "only ship in range" to go after the ribbon?

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:25 pm

I know you would want a fleet, but it's Star Trek; they never have anything near Earth... usually they don't even have red shirts there.

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:46 pm

And the Breen sure taught them the errors of that way.

posted on June 19th, 2011, 7:49 pm

And the Breen sure taught them the errors of that way.

you'd think they wouldnt need teaching after 2 borg attacks.

granted martok did say: omgwtfbbq the breen attaxed erf?! klinks dont have cojones to attax erf. its too hard.

but imagine if the klinks had known earth was so vulnerable.

posted on June 28th, 2011, 11:29 pm

Or how, in DS9 and TNG they talked about how devastating Wolf 359 was to the Feds when they lost something like 15 ships, but then all of the sudden at the end of DS9 a fleet of feds is hundreds and hundreds of ships.

That's probably due to a massive increase in production. My guess is that once Starfleet realized a war was inevitable, they cranked up production. It's possible that some of those hundreds of ships had the bare minimum for interior spaces and lacked things like labs and science facilities. They probably also hauled ships out of retirement, if there were any.

posted on July 27th, 2011, 8:34 am

just a reminder that there were ships around Earth at the time of the Breen attack, proof? almost all of them were distroyed (Klingons would have gloriously died in battle but where is the honour in losing or secrecy. Koloth himself said "You want me to go in his room and kill him at night like a Patha'K?".
1st Borg attack: did you guys play a long term strategy game like Total war or Civilisation? You keep troops where they're needed and at some point you become overconfident and a huge army gets near your capital and all of your troops are patrolling borders. must have been something like that. I mean you see a Cube in the delta quadrant you won't think he'll attack until at least two years
2nd Borg attack: Defiant has there, meaning that half of the Federation was probably there as well.

posted on July 27th, 2011, 5:33 pm

Definitly not half...200 ships maybe but not half(10k?).

posted on July 27th, 2011, 5:38 pm

I seriously doubt the fleet that responds to any Borg attack is more than a fraction of what Starfleet has, the size of Federation space would mean most are too far away to reach the battle in time.

39 ships lost may not seem like a big number but it's a lot of resources, lives and morale lost.

posted on August 17th, 2011, 10:13 pm

I seriously doubt the fleet that responds to any Borg attack is more than a fraction of what Starfleet has, the size of Federation space would mean most are too far away to reach the battle in time.

39 ships lost may not seem like a big number but it's a lot of resources, lives and morale lost.

I seem to recall it being stated that traveling the length of the Federation could take months.

In the DS9 episode Valiant the cadets cruise was to navigate the entire peremiter of the Federation and it was supposed to take I forget how many months.

That means that the Defiant simply happend to be in the area.

posted on August 17th, 2011, 11:10 pm

I seem to recall it being stated that traveling the length of the Federation could take months.

In the DS9 episode Valiant the cadets cruise was to navigate the entire peremiter of the Federation and it was supposed to take I forget how many months.

That means that the Defiant simply happend to be in the area.

i agree with this too. perhaps the defiant just happened to be somewhere near where the battle happened.

the initial detection of the borg came from ds5. then admiral stupid took a fleet to the typhon sector for some reason, but had no plot armour and got their arses kicked. the cube was heading straight to earth, rarely stopping, ma says it got a colony on ivor prime, seemingly to announce its presence, but then seemed to head towards earth. so why not have all the time to assemble a fleet at earth rather than throwing partial fleets at the cube early on.

so yeah the fleet chases the borg cube from the typhon sector back to earth. picard hears the people screaming over the fed teamspeak and sets a course for earth, from his current location at the romulan neutral zone at the edge of federation space. so by the time he gets there, the cube just happens to arrive at the same time (how polite, waiting for picard). so in all that time he had to fly from the edge of fed space, where were the thousands of ships we saw in the dominion war? they could have all had time to fly to earth too. but it seems that picard is all the reinforcements that arrives to help the fleet that chased the cube.

also why couldnt picard just email admiral stupid the major weakness of the death star cube? i guess its possible he only figured it out when he joined the battle. but that requires him to have a connection to the borg, ie still has borg tech in him and he can interface in some way with the cube. maybe he was just far smarter than the other fed captains and was the only guy who had the knowledge to say "lets all shoot it in the same spot, and pick the spot that sensors show is weak or something". so either picard had inside info because he is still partially borg, or all the other captains were stupid and couldnt see a strategy that picard figured out in minutes.