Bop Versus A Warbird?

posted on November 16th, 2004, 12:15 pm

Salaam!

Does a warbird have aft weapons? If so then I would assume no, but if he has no aft weapons, then ATTACK!!! I think it takes some time to target a ship with the tractor beam, so decloak fire cloak, and so on.

posted on November 16th, 2004, 12:37 pm

how about we phone the high council and ask them?

Along with some peoples posts, they clearly state that BoP's are very strong for their size.. maybe two BoP's could do some serious damage, but i doubt it could destroy it all.. unless they kamakazed into the power supply.

posted on November 16th, 2004, 3:17 pm

the b'rel is armed to the teeth:
two wing-mounted disrupter cannons
two twin wing-mounted phaser cannons
1 photon/poleron torpedo launcher

Klingons don't have phasers or phaser cannons. And a little ship that's what, 40 to 60 meters long? isn't going to stand a chance against anything bigger than a Danube runabout.

But yeah the Norexans were developed because of the demonstrated weakness of the D'deridex's shields in the Dominion war. And the Enterprise - E lasted so long against the Scimitar for a few reasons: it's a Sovereign, the most powerful ship built in the Alpha Quadrant, and it's Picard's ship. Do you really expect it to just up and explode? hahahaha

posted on November 17th, 2004, 11:03 am

I think a BOP can at least destroy a Sabre/ Saber class ship. The big problem for a BoP are strong shields and large weapon arcs.

posted on November 17th, 2004, 1:06 pm

Well I just don't see a bop winning on its own with the limited recources it has at its disposal, but I do like the whole ramming idea, It seems like the Klingons might do something just that desprate, and the right place would sure cause a lot of damage to a Derdrix. other than that even accounting for no sign of an aft weapons array and no manuverbility compared to the small bop the Warbird still has a massive firepower and shieldign advantage over the Bop. so I am left to wonder a comparison between a dominon bug and a bop as this might help us to see how the bop would do considering we already know how a fighter would do.

Fullphaser

posted on November 17th, 2004, 5:55 pm

I'm not so sure a B'rel could take down a Saber, it would depend an awful lot on surprise and the relative skills of the captains and crews. In my opinion it would be close. Especially if one ship or the other landed a hit or two from a torpedo weapon, it would be all over. Though I'm sure the Saber's shields are better.

posted on November 17th, 2004, 10:13 pm

A Saber would most definately destroy a BoP, and probably a B'rel. K'vort is another story.

posted on November 18th, 2004, 12:50 am

I don't know about the loss of a Bop to a saber. Despite the saber's apparent warship like nature, it is still tactically underpowered and probably more shielded, considering that the ship was designed mainly to fight the borg I imagine the weapons reflect that combat stlye with quality over quanity, and that those weapons are versitle rather than powerful. The Bop however is a warship stem to stern, and could probably easily make up for shielding with powerful weapons for a ship of its size

posted on November 18th, 2004, 3:05 am

Heh well if we want to really analyze this, consider that the Saber is firing a phaser beam, which probably isn't going to miss, especially considering the advanced sensor capabilities of a starfleet vessel. The BoP on the other hand has older electronics, or at least less impressive targeting capabilities, and can likely be fooled by the most advanced ECM, making it harder to hit the Saber, which in any case will be maneuvering rapidly against phased disruptors, which travel slowly and tend to miss small targets.

On the other hand the BoP has cloak and likely the element of surprise. In my opinion if the Klingon commander doesn't sufficiently damage the impulse engines and/or the phaser bank on his first pass he's dead.

posted on November 18th, 2004, 6:35 am

No a BoP would definately lose to a Saber no question. A b'rel class could put up a fight but lose also seeing as it's not too much more powerful then the BoP. K'vort would win because it's alot more heavily armed and shielded.

posted on November 18th, 2004, 2:49 pm

The K'Vort would still be vulnerable to torpedo strikes on its disruptors, shields or not. I know it looks cool to have them hanging off the wings like that, but it's a really dumb place to put something so important.

posted on November 19th, 2004, 1:30 am

Well a Saber is vunerable to a Torpedo strike to it's Torpedo launcher. I mean where else can you put the guns? You can't have then in the middle of the ship because then they can't fire.

[Smoerebroed]

posted on November 19th, 2004, 1:22 pm

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hmm..... Everytime i read this thread, i read "no way a BoP will surely loose..." and so on. If this is true why the f*ck is the BoP still in use? Hmm. Ah I know it's the postal machine of the Klingon army, delivering the Post to the Battle-Front or the Klingons use the BoP to fly to the next fly-Through-Restaurant like Space Donalds or the like.

posted on November 19th, 2004, 7:06 pm

Yeah it's the delivery truck. Too bad it's so small, it would take a lot of deliveries to deliver anything.

[Yaso Kuuhl]

posted on November 19th, 2004, 8:41 pm

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Another few thoughts:
- Warbirds most likely have rear firing disruptors. I seen them having a disruptor array at the very bottom of their hull. However, a few disruptor shots won't break through the shields of even a BoP very quickly, else the Duras Sisters's BoP would have been in more trouble against a Galaxy Class, even with them having no effective shield power and all.
- So it's very likely that the BoP can maneuver around enough to avoid the most heavy weapons fire, i.e. the Plasma Cannons and Pulse Disruptors. The little Klink could probably pour quite a lot of firepower into the D'deridex's shields before getting hit too often.
- This won't do him any good, though, as the Warbird's shields are simply too strong for him to break through. The BoP's shields, on the other hand, will eventually lose to the vastly superior firepower of a ship ten times it's size.

- BTW, would somebody please explain to me the difference between a Bird of Prey and a B'rel? I only know of two types of Klingon Birds of Prey. Small and Large.

About the BoP vs. aber thing:
Much the same as before, but less obvious. Saber has much more advanced technology and likely more firepower. Saber has better shields and better firing arcs. So eventually the Saber would win, except if the Klingons score a critical hit (destroy a warp nacelle, the torp launcher, the bridge, etc.)

Were this DS9, though, I wouldn't be surprised if a BoP destroyed a Saber in one disruptor salvo, though. I've seen weirder things.