Transformers going to 5?

posted on October 19th, 2011, 11:14 am

Well with any bay movie, it is more about teh Xplosions than anything else

posted on October 19th, 2011, 2:04 pm

Th third part was really rubbish. I thought "holy crap, this could have been made by Dr. Goebbels, it's nothing more than an expensive propaganda production for US military" . I admit that this was already quite obvious in the first two parts, but in 3 it became really annoying.

These days, every movie or actor is trying to push some kind of view point, weather it be subtle or completely obvious.  To be honest though, I didn't see anything wrong with it in this case.  What is so wrong with a little pro US stuff in a movie made in the US by Americans?   Its not like they were killing nazis, or commies as the steriotypical Pro US movies go.  They were fighting aliens. :2guns:

Speaking of which, how did you like Captain America?

But like everyone else said, if you went to the movie to see anything but giant robot aliens beating each other up out over some random alien thing that somehow concerns humans, then of course you will be disappointed. 

posted on October 19th, 2011, 2:09 pm

wow you sound like an apologetic now... You can have fine military movie without the help of the army... It is just a way to blow cash. It isn't like the y call the US army every time they need an army on the screen

posted on October 19th, 2011, 2:23 pm

I suppose it may be a bit apologetic.   If they are going to push their opinions at all, why not be one that lifts up their own country, rather than something like global warming, anti military, anti business, ect.  There are plenty of options, but I think pro military is the lesser of the evils(evils being pushing a view point at all)  But then again, if you don't like it don't watch it.

There are plenty of other good movies out there, like Battle L.A.!  Or Captain America!  or Green Lantern! or...oh wait... Independence day? No...   I"m sure I will figure this out.... AVATAR!  there you go.

And no, you don't call the US army every time...  Sometimes you call the Airforce or the Marines or the Navy.   When the aliens come to America, of course it we will see more of our military.  Especially when they are american movies!

posted on October 19th, 2011, 2:50 pm

You just said all my reasons why I watch movies from:

Russia:  1612. Chroniki Snutnogo vremeni (2007) and gruz 200
Sweden: The girl with the dragon tattoo (but is now getting assraped by hollywood), Jade warrior
Germany: Das experiment
Poland: A prophet, little Otic
France: Chrysalis, Rumba
China: Mural, Rein of Assassins
Vietnam: Rebel
Thailand: Queen of Langkasuka
Spain: Rec 1 + 2
India: Partner, arundathi
Japan: K-20, 13 assassins, Owl castle
Korea: Arahan, The showdown

But one thing is correct...  the US has the biggest army of the world... so It will be the first destroyed by alien invaders.  Someone has to be the human shield 

And if they just hired me for 20 million, it would be a blockbuster lol

posted on October 19th, 2011, 3:11 pm

I don't think I have heard of any of those, but then again, here in the US, we don't play a lot of foreign movies.   Why should we when ours make millions the opening day?

posted on October 19th, 2011, 3:12 pm

But one thing is correct...  the US has the biggest army of the world... so It will be the first destroyed by alien invaders.  Someone has to be the human shield 

akshully china has the biggest army (size = more dudes is the usual definition of big). and the biggest population.

not to say aliens would know which army was biggest anyway, they probably dont know how the internet works and armies dont tend to all stand in one place as a contiguous unit.

if they wanted to go for the most people in the smallest area then they would probably just pick the city (loosely defined as a contiguous collection of artificial structures) on earth with the largest population density to attack first. that would probably be in south east asia, china/india/phillipines etc. they wouldnt know where one country ended and another began.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 3:21 pm

  I think you are right.  If someone wanted to take out the most people with one blow(no offence to anyone here) they would just have to hit china or india.  Alternatively, if they wanted to talk for weeks and get nothing done, then they would talk to the UN.

not that I"m saying that if they wanted to get something done they would talk to the US either.  

posted on October 19th, 2011, 3:42 pm

You see, I think that some amount of US military involvement can be excused in the third one - they did invade Chicago after all...

What I didn't like was that the Autobot's effectively became assets of the United States. They were housed by a goverment department, and sent out on government sanctioned missions. Some sort of UN organisation would be much better, if only to avoid the connotations of American propaganda.

My opinion over all, however, is that a film should be taken in the context of itself. Captain America, for example, could not exactly have been about how he led a campaign against environmental cuts. He had to fight against the Nazi's with the Americans.

Transformers, well, I don't remember them involving themselves with a particular nation. The problem with having most of the worlds blockbusters produced in by a specific nation, with directors and writers producing mainly for that nation, is that for the rest of the world the result can seem skewed in the favour of a particular nation.

An example from recently: Falling Skies. The main bloke was talking about how 'The British withstood bombing raids in London during the blitz', or some such. As someone who has been living in England their whole life this felt like a really weird way to say it. It would be the same, I'd imagine, as us saying that 'the Americans withstood an attack on Pearl Harbour.

Whoops, wall of text. Oh well, I wouldn't be adverse to a 4 or 5 myself. Giant robots are always fun.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 4:06 pm

I don't think I have heard of any of those, but then again, here in the US, we don't play a lot of foreign movies.  Why should we when ours make millions the opening day?

you mean you missed out on (from the top of my head): all the harry potters, all the james bond films, the lord of the rings films, 28 days/weeks later, trainspotting, four weddings and a funeral, oliver!, chitty chitty bang bang, sweeney todd, charlie and the chocolate factory, monty python, a clockwork orange, the wicker man, get carter.

and those are just english language films (ones i'm familiar with), films generally dont get mass released in english speaking nations unless they are in english. but there are probably a few non english language films you have seen around, like la vie en rose, la haine (that one was brilliant), das boot, metropolis (a real oldie).

 I think you are right.  If someone wanted to take out the most people with one blow(no offence to anyone here) they would just have to hit china or india.  Alternatively, if they wanted to talk for weeks and get nothing done, then they would talk to the UN.

not that I"m saying that if they wanted to get something done they would talk to the US either.  

they'd do that if they wanted (the alien version of) a headache.

i'm not sure what an alien race would do if they wanted peaceful communication with our planet. they'd probably be told we havent united as a planet yet and would end up wasting time at the un before realising we have very little to offer them. i guess they could really be interested in a cultural exchange, who knows, they may actually like michael bay films, i'm sure there are some aliens out there with absolutely no sense of taste. i call them americans

i doubt aliens would waste much time arranging communication with us, we'd have to be one of the first alien races they discover for us to be interesting. we've barely left our own planet. yet for them to be in earth orbit they would have interstellar travel.

An example from recently: Falling Skies. The main bloke was talking about how 'The British withstood bombing raids in London during the blitz', or some such. As someone who has been living in England their whole life this felt like a really weird way to say it. It would be the same, I'd imagine, as us saying that 'the Americans withstood an attack on Pearl Harbour.

i'm british and the former doesnt sound weird to me at all. the entire purpose of the german bombing campaigns was to demoralise us and hurt our production capabilities, seeing as they lost the battle of britain. they failed to demoralise us and underestimated the task of destroying a country's war production efforts and thus failed to make a strategic impact on production, thus britain did withstand the blitz.

by contrast the attack on pearl harbour was a decisive victory in the short run, the attack succeeded in a main objective (damage/destroy us battleships), despite the fact that it later turned out that the objective was a bad one.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 4:28 pm

If they do bother to make a 4th and 5th. Its guna be shite so might as well but the dinobots in they were ace. "Me Grimlok, Me Leader of the autobots", classic 

[Amateur]

posted on October 19th, 2011, 5:06 pm

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i'm british and the former doesnt sound weird to me at all. the entire purpose of the german bombing campaigns was to demoralise us and hurt our production capabilities, seeing as they lost the battle of britain. they failed to demoralise us and underestimated the task of destroying a country's war production efforts and thus failed to make a strategic impact on production, thus britain did withstand the blitz.

by contrast the attack on pearl harbour was a decisive victory in the short run, the attack succeeded in a main objective (damage/destroy us battleships), despite the fact that it later turned out that the objective was a bad one.

I meant the usage of the collective noun rather than just saying 'us', didn't really make that clear .

Perhaps it's just the result of growing up in an old street? Everyone used to say 'us' or 'we', and the lack of a pronoun seemed quite jarring to my ears.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 5:10 pm

ah ok.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 5:52 pm

you mean you missed out on (from the top of my head): all the harry potters, all the james bond films, the lord of the rings films, 28 days/weeks later, trainspotting, four weddings and a funeral, oliver!, chitty chitty bang bang, sweeney todd, charlie and the chocolate factory, monty python, a clockwork orange, the wicker man, get carter.

and those are just english language films (ones i'm familiar with), films generally dont get mass released in english speaking nations unless they are in english. but there are probably a few non english language films you have seen around, like la vie en rose, la haine (that one was brilliant), das boot, metropolis (a real oldie).

Though I really haven't seen any of the harry potters, what I said was that I haden't seen any on his list.   There certainly are some foreign movies that play, and make as much as US ones, but as I said, there are not "a lot," comparatively.  There is the occasional foreign movie that does really well, and tbh I didn't consider the ones on your list, but the vast majority of the ones played are not from the UK, or Asia or wherever.  At least where I am.

Now TV shows are different.  I for one am a huge fan of Doctor Who.

posted on October 19th, 2011, 6:13 pm

The biggest Joke is, there are Movies that are remaked (after years of sucsess all over the world) for the USA because it seems like nobody there like watching movies from other countries. Even if they are in englisch language.

Some examples:
Nikita (later on a sucsessfull amarican TV-series), (now the US names) The Italian Job, City of Angels,  Vanilla Sky, The Birdcage, Everybody's Fine, The Ring, The Grudge, Mirrors and so on...
Cowboy Beebop, Death Note and Akira will be remaked as real films (not Anime) and there is this scandinavic vampirefilm. I just don't remember the names at the moment.

There are more, much more. And it is just sad.