ST vs SW

[Snapshot_9]

posted on March 2nd, 2010, 3:24 am

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These discussions are always interesting, but in my opinion they're way too incompatible with each other.  Star Trek and Star Wars are both awesome (in my opinion) but they rely on different things.  For example, in Star Trek fleet battles are the norm, while in Star Wars land battles are at least as important.  Also, Star Wars treats space battles more like naval battles.  Though when it comes down to it, Star Wars would win, just because with the Force a Sith Lord made two stars go supernova to destroy enemy fleets.  I'd like to see the Borg adapt to that.  Though then there's time travel in Star Trek, plus Q...

books are not cannon.

just look at this ST vs SW thread,

ST-v-SW.Net :: Overview

it says it pretty well

[Ruanek]

posted on March 2nd, 2010, 11:29 am

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Star Wars books are canon.  Star Trek books are not.  And I don't agree with everything posted in that thread.  Any of the Empire's planet destroying superweapons would decimate the Federation.  And it's impossible to compare shield/weapon strength.

posted on March 2nd, 2010, 12:18 pm

Star Wars books are canon.  Star Trek books are not.  And I don't agree with everything posted in that thread.  Any of the Empire's planet destroying superweapons would decimate the Federation.  And it's impossible to compare shield/weapon strength.

screen cannon overrights book cannon thought

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 12:19 am

ST hands down.  A constant source of frustration with the SW universe is the unchanging superiority pyramid.  The Empire/Aliiance and thier subsequent derivatives and evolutions are the top of the line at technology, and are the best the galaxy has to offer; there is zero diversity and what is diverse is horribly inferior in most cases.  Convergent evolution at its peak.  The only time you have a challenge is possibly the Vong with thier biotech.

Considering the emp/ally vs the borg/fed/dom/rom/kling is one thing.  But the tide is overwhelming if you add in things like Q, 8472, voth, remans, krenim, and a whole other pile of races who are "outside" standard tech. 

Of course by "outside" I also mean that they dont have qualms about using horribly unethical (and therefore fun) weapons in battle. (biowarfare, nanites, radiation, temporal shifts, or hell even trilithium to detonate a few suns if you so please)

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 12:24 am

So the Star Wars galaxy would lose because they all use similar technology?  That seems like a pretty strange argument.  They all have similar technology because the entire galaxy (for the most part) is explored and easy to travel in.  That makes sharing technology and developing superior technology that much easier.  As for unethical weapons, the Death Star, Galaxy Gun, and Sun Crusher are all excellent examples, as are many things that can be done with the Force.

screen cannon overrights book cannon thought

Yeah, but the books are still canon.  The books are only not canon when the new TV show(The Clone Wars) changes canon (including canon established 30 years before the show even came out in previous movies).

[mimesot]

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 12:52 am

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Star Trek fields Photon torpedos that heavily damage a ship with each projectile

Star Wars fields Turbo lasers that destroy cities on a planets surface within seconds

Star Trek fields Phasers that blow craters in a cube, a single one does a crater of a towns diameter

Star Wars fields a Death Star, that can destroy a planet

Star Trek fields metaphasic torpedos that destroy a cube - each torpedo

Star Wars fields the galaxy gun, destroying any object in the whole galaxy without warning

Star Trek fields time travel. A krenim torpedo hits palpatines mama before he could create all that stuff.

There's no real advance intechnology for anybody, theres only the question where to find the best target to shoot first.

[Dave Denton]

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 1:31 am

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  If you have hyperdrive, you have time travel as well. Why it isn't being used in Star Wars? I dunno ... George Lucas is weird.

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 2:14 am

Wait a sec...why does hyperdrive = time travel??

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 2:34 am

just from my own observations hyperspace is a completely different tech from warp drive the closest trek = would be quantum slipstream.  and also note that the "lasers" in SW are not lasers there actually some sort of plasma weapon  real lasers turbo super or whatnot can not combine energy they'd just pass straight through each other.  I think in a War between the Trek verse and the SW verse  The trek verse would end up winning simply because the Trek verse has faster in sub-light and more maneuverable ships more flexible tactics and stronger weapons the DS super laser and other planet killers aside. In a straight fight a Galaxy or Sovie would pwn a Imp Star. heck i think a single Defiant could kill a Imp Star with its speed and maneuverability combined with its pulse phasers and quantum torps.   

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 2:38 am

real lasers turbo super or whatnot can not combine energy they'd just pass straight through each other.  

Where do you get this from? A photon is not only it's own anti-particle, but "lasers" can of course generate destructive interference if you combine wavelengths etc.

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 2:41 am

But an ISD (Imperial Star Destroyer) also has 60 turbolasers, 60 ion cannons, and 72 TIES (generally 48 fighters and 24 bombers), not to mention their other support craft, point defense/missiles,  and the Empire's having 25,000 ISDs at the time of Episode VI.

You could make an argument for the Death Star's superlaser creating a gravity singularity in the center of the beams, somehow combining them.  I don't think all Star Trek technology is fully understandable (or possible) either.

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 2:53 am

the laser thing was explained in one of those science of Star Wars specials on the Discovery or history channel.  yea Imp star has all those guns but squeezed onto about 1400 meters in length  they are not very large compared to treks beam weaponry taking a guess that Star Wars power plants are not as powerful as treks and I would assume Treks shields would shrug them off. now as for concussion missiles and proton torps those i think could do trek ships damage. now yes im making some guess's here on the power plants and strengths. but this is coming from watching the shows from the first episode of TNG all through voyager and ds9  and all the movies and reading a ton of books both trek and SW and watching a lot of discovery science and history channel and paying attention in physics class

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 3:02 am

The interesting thing is to see how many people will pick top versus bottom frankly 

lol....I was wondering the same thing Dom.  Anyways, these threads are pointless.  The Trek vs Wars polls/threads have been on here before and almost always turn the community in on themselves.  I know I've personally asked Doca and Optec to shut down a few because of this. 

The two can't really be pitted in a vs. for this reason; Star Trek is faceted in a science based science fiction universe.  Star Wars takes place in a fantasy universe.  I know that sounds a little off and some may even say wrong because both are fiction and in the scifi genre, Trek is often based around real world physics, facts, sciences, etc.  Its based off of Earth's future.  Meanwhile you have Wars which is based in a "galaxy far far away," where people have "super natural powers," and the story lines revolve around it.  Fantasy vs scifi doesn't mix too well.  It'd be like if I put up a poll saying "LOTR vs Curious George."  While both have elements of drama and fantasy, they're not really even close to being in the same universe.

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 3:09 am

LOTR vs Curious George lol  actually I think a closer analogy would be LOTR VS Chronicles of Narnia

posted on March 3rd, 2010, 3:27 am

Erm...

While I agree that, by comparison, ST looks like hard sci-fi, both tend to place more importance in the plot than in the tech aspects of the universe.

And if the physics gets in the way of the story telling, it will be happily stomped upon BOTH in SW and ST.

So a comparison/confrontation is actually next to impossible to gauge.