Please explain

posted on July 12th, 2007, 5:29 pm

D'oh. 

posted on July 12th, 2007, 8:48 pm

The facts don't lie and can be ignored but not lost on some.

posted on July 12th, 2007, 9:21 pm

Back to a time? nay sir this idea of praying to a deity never left. nor has fact finding, its all the same, just in a different format. if only people would take time look at things and them selfs objectively, this goes for me as well, though i believe that i am better at it then you, no offense meant just an observation. 

posted on July 12th, 2007, 10:45 pm

Yes but its be coming more controlling and is rewriting history books.

I have no problem of people being able to prates what every then like ass long as their bullefs are not frost on the mass population.

posted on July 12th, 2007, 11:33 pm

I dont feel as if its more controlling, but then im only a lowly lower class idiot.
You and i both agree on the pushing of ones believes on an other, its not right. but it goes both ways, just look at some of my priviose posts in this thread. I think the only way to gt past it is to stop thinking HOLY SHIT THERE PUSHING ME, and think they just want to help and they dont know how. or in my case realize that company's only look at the bottom line in money and could care less about the people. there isnt any thing i can do about that now. However, if you feel that some one is forcing there religion on you its not the religions fault its the persons. say, "Look your pressuring me here, i know you dont see how, but you are. you need hold up for a bit and let me think,  you need to chill, i understand what your saying." Now if you cant do that, then i would consider that you take a hard look in the mirror. the ability to say hold on isn't just for religion you know.

posted on July 13th, 2007, 1:24 am

Non bulevers can't force you to buleave in what they buleve because they don't bleve in any thing....

But the people how run the orginzed religion are the ones doing the pushing so it is the religion at this point. The oppressive religions could change but they don't...

Religion is a faith basically its a bulefe. What I am pushing is reality and reality is not bulefe its Fact not Faith.

posted on July 13th, 2007, 1:38 am

Non bulevers can't force you to buleave in what they buleve because they don't bleve in any thing....

Every one believes something,  even facts are believed, we thought once that the atom was it the smallest, then HELLO, quarks, pions, protons, and so on and so on, Enstines theory of gravity was the bomb, but now we have to come up with string theory. your science is growing, therefor the facts must be believe at this point in time. Scientific America once printed an article saying that we as humans were but 2 dimensional seeing 3. how is that the same as 3 dimensions? 
our very basic systems are based on believe, the eye sees but dots, blips on the rods, and this is converted to an image, if the brain refuses to believe such dots are true then it changes.

Your social structure is a believe, you believe that the dems are right, and you make it clear, im forced to see your propaganda every time i look here. I dont think your right, dems are wrong on some thing, we all are. yet i don't put it every were? if i wanted to would i have that right? hell yes, just as you do.

but i find myself depressed in this text, i doubt  you will read all of this, let alone consider it for ant time at all. you are closed minded i fear.

posted on July 16th, 2007, 5:03 pm

Non bulevers can't force you to buleave in what they buleve because they don't bleve in any thing....

I'm sorry, ewm, but this is probably the most stupid thing I have EVER heard you say.  I have had "non-believers" try to force their views on me for years.  GROW UP, ewm.  You honestly are incapable of seeing things from the other side.  Is it so hard for you to understand that some one us choose to follow a moral code?  Is it so unrealistic that some of us choose to believe in what science cannot prove, and cannot disprove?  Are you so deep in your own dogma (yes, I called what you spout DOGMA) that you cannot even try to understand why others believe what they do?  Because all of the flaws of this world have one thing in common:  Us.  WE are to blame.  Not the Bible, but how some self-absorbed fanatics and lofty politicians and heads of state interperated it for their own benefit. 

You see, I am a self proclaimed Christian.  Do you know what that means?  It does not mean one who gets baptized.  It does not mean one who goes to church on Sunday mornings.  It does not mean one who takes the Lord's Supper.  It means I am someone who tries to live his life like that of Jesus Christ.  And do you know what he preached?  LOVE.  You see, love for your fellow man is the answer.  Inoring your wants and needs and PUTTING OTHERS FIRST.  Can you fault that doctrine, ewm?  If you can, than I submit that the problem is not me; it's YOU.  As for all that Deuteronomy stuff you spouted to try and prove your point, Romans 13:10 says this: "Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."  Yes.  Everything you put up can be encompassed and serpassed and simply render unnecessary by selfless love.

Do you see any non-believers supporting selfless love?  I haven't.  Maybe you can be the first.

posted on July 16th, 2007, 8:21 pm

how do non believers force you to to believe in what they do? That statement make no sens.

We don't shutting down churches we don't pass laws that limit your faith. By sharing the way we see things is not forcing you.

posted on July 16th, 2007, 9:14 pm

By sharing the way we see things is not forcing you.

When I share my faith, that is what I do.  That is indeed the definition of sharing the Christian faith.  By your own admission then, you can no longer call what many Christians do "forcing their belief on others".  Indeed, they have all the same rights to share their opinions as you have to share yours.  So, before you tell them to stop again, you might as well stop yourself.

To answer the rest of your post, many times I have been rather forcibly confronted by people who believe in humanistic ideology (the same people who you call "non-believers") and insist that their way is true and that I am a fool to believe in what cannot be explained by science, and they leave no quarter, thereby FORCING their opinions on me and allowing me no response.  That is what I define as forcing, and I have rarely if ever seen someone who can truly be described as one who emulates Christ (therefore a Christian) force their beliefs on others in that manner.  I have seen some people do it who claim to be Christian but truly do not try to represent Christ in their actions, but should that behavior be a testimony against those of us who do?

posted on July 16th, 2007, 9:19 pm

I concur with this, Red you have hit the nail on the head. thanks.
Manys the time when i read the paper and see more and more Christians  being called stupid. I had one guy tell me i was waisting my life, and i have no chance to explain to them why i do what i do and believe what i believe. Even if i did then would clam i was forcing it on them.

posted on July 17th, 2007, 1:28 pm

Red~

I don't know what paper you read but the papers I read has reports pro and aginsted the idea of faith as governing idea for peoples lives.

Well where I live the government is run for faith as much or more then for the people.

example:

Rowe VS wade which is a law in the USA that sates that a woman has the right to chose to get a abortion is she feel its necessary. The government has bean attaching this law for years on the idea that its is sin.

Science books have bean republished to include creationism as a alternative to evolution.

Stem cell bills are vetoed because it requires the use of embryonic stem cells which the government thinks to take a embryonic stem cell requires the destruction of human live. which is that a embryo is alive despite the fact that the science clearly shows they are wrong. The government thinks that the destruction of a embryo would be a sin.

posted on July 17th, 2007, 3:37 pm

Red~

I don't know what paper you read but the papers I read has reports pro and aginsted the idea of faith as governing idea for peoples lives.

Well where I live the government is run for faith as much or more then for the people.

example:

Rowe VS wade which is a law in the USA that sates that a woman has the right to chose to get a abortion is she feel its necessary. The government has bean attaching this law for years on the idea that its is sin.

Science books have bean republished to include creationism as a alternative to evolution.

Stem cell bills are vetoed because it requires the use of embryonic stem cells which the government thinks to take a embryonic stem cell requires the destruction of human live. which is that a embryo is alive despite the fact that the science clearly shows they are wrong. The government thinks that the destruction of a embryo would be a sin.

I am leaving for two weeks in less than an hour, but I have decided to reply anyways to this unknowledgable post.

You're like a broken record, ewm; no matter where a discussion of religeon/faith goes you always return to the same points.  Of course, they're meaningless to this debate.

I will adress them appropriately.

First, since when do the opinions of papers mean anything towards our own opinion?  That doesn't even make sense.  Why bring up the opinion of papers when the debate at this point is between you and me?  Do they express your opionion?  Not all of them.  Scratch one reason.  Do you regard them as meaningful rowards your own opionion?  Not that I'm aware of.  You see, ewm, you have me thouroughly confused with this meaningless paragraph.

Well, ewm, if faith reflects the ideas of the people, then what you are looking at is effective democracy.  The will of the people is reflected in the govenment.  You can't fault that, can you?

Point by point:

I personally oppose abortion not because it could be sin, but because it could be murder.  Partial birth abortion IS murder.  Are you willing to take the chance that millions of little children are being slaughtered just because they inconvinience their mothers?!  Are you that hard-hearted and uncaring that you're willing to risk such atrocity?!

Science books are designed to reflect science, and I hate to brake it to you, but most scientists considered spontaneous generation to be unshakable scientific fact.  Now, it serves us only as a reminder of how current science, such as the theory of evolution, may be rendered completely menaingless by the progress of science.  I'm not saying that I support intelligent design as an alternative, but I am clear-minded enough to see that evolution has many, many, many flaws, many more of which are not publicly admitted.

As for stem cell research, my views on this complex issue are equally complex, and I simply don't have the time to post them now.  Needless to say, I think they may suprise you.

ewm, just stop yapping about all the usual stuff.  Stick to things that are unequvically relevent to the topic istead of turning it into an overarching round of Christian-bashing that we all know is nothing but dogma.

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Oh, and why is it that you never reply to anything we actually say?  Is it because... you can't?

posted on July 17th, 2007, 11:21 pm

First, since when do the opinions of papers mean anything towards our own opinion?  That doesn't even make sense.  Why bring up the opinion of papers when the debate at this point is between you and me?  Do they express your opionion?  Not all of them.  Scratch one reason.  Do you regard them as meaningful rowards your own opionion?  Not that I'm aware of.  You see, ewm, you have me thouroughly confused with this meaningless paragraph.

You have a good point here. People read what they agree with. I do try to lison to things I dont agree with and try to see why they think that there openen is beater.

Well, ewm, if faith reflects the ideas of the people, then what you are looking at is effective democracy.  The will of the people is reflected in the govenment.  You can't fault that, can you?

Democracy is about freedom and forcing ones ideas on others in not freedom their for the Democracy is heart.

I personally oppose abortion not because it could be sin, but because it could be murder.  Partial birth abortion IS murder.  Are you willing to take the chance that millions of little children are being slaughtered just because they inconvinience their mothers?!  Are you that hard-hearted and uncaring that you're willing to risk such atrocity?!

abortion can be murder if it is done in a way that would heart a life. But it has bean more that clearly proven that what is performed in the USA is not murder and is far from it. So why is this abortion a problem a sin hummm?

Science books are designed to reflect science, and I hate to brake it to you, but most scientists considered spontaneous generation to be unshakable scientific fact.  Now, it serves us only as a reminder of how current science, such as the theory of evolution, may be rendered completely menaingless by the progress of science.  I'm not saying that I support intelligent design as an alternative, but I am clear-minded enough to see that evolution has many, many, many flaws, many more of which are not publicly admitted.

The word theory as applied to evolution is a just a proticall becoss of some loss ends that are so trivial its funny to think that people would think that evolution is not a fact in this day and age.


Theres a reply and its not for the reason I can not its that I can not reply to every one with out my hands falling off.

[MutantHippie]

posted on July 24th, 2007, 10:52 pm

Last edited by MutantHippie on July 24th, 2007, 11:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

lol
he had god on his side what more can any man ask for?

Exactly.
And where do you find a word about dinosaurs in the Bible?
However, the museum must be a very big building then anyway.

i dont know if this thread is still active or not, but the word "Dinosaur" wasnt used untill around the seventeen or eighteen hundreds, before then they refered to Dinosaurs as Dragons and the word Dragon is in the bible.

Also there was something about Abortion up there ------^. would you really want to bring an innocent child into the world if you could not care for it?. I mean seriously, would you want to bring a child up if you could not care for it?

Cheers
Dan