Please explain

posted on May 31st, 2007, 7:44 pm

so ewm is saying that cheating on your husband is RIGHT!
lo l

A man who states that has
- to really love his wife (and propably wants her to have some fun she usually hasn't...)
- is mental ill
- or is cheating himself.

Uhm... pick one 

posted on May 31st, 2007, 9:35 pm

Sorry I am a one woman man.

posted on June 1st, 2007, 11:46 am

yeah ya momma 

weird topic btw. i have an opinon on religion. its fake. however i still keep my mind open that 100 virgins will be waiting for me in heaven 

posted on June 1st, 2007, 5:08 pm

ewm... maybe it helps if you take the look from the perspective of god onto humankind. what is god's intention if he says "do not have sex during periode" or "don't eat the meat of a pic". further see it securalised from our perspective, also out from historical facts (what was the reason for us (not God) to make rulez like stoning) and also do ALWAYS see the absolutly free choice you have in what you are doing or not (also belongs to God's intentions).
It's by far not as dramatic how you intend to tell us. There is so much false information and is absolutly non neutral.

You know I am a scientist but I do also believe in Jesus Christ. I never found one fact that belief and science is something unfitting. It's rather the opposite. It's all about finding truth and if it's not ..so be it. Time and engagement will tell and I'm optimistic. Just watch and learn my friend. There are alsways those who shout around... don't take them as measure.

posted on June 1st, 2007, 11:54 pm

Religion had is uses but we have grown up as a coacher and don't need a book to tell us what right its pretty clear. infect religion is holding us back.

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 1:10 am

lol
itd be nice to pick and choose thea parts of the religion you like
ok ill take 100 vigins the garden of eden and the caste system with LITE 10 commandments

[ewm90]

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 2:39 am

Last edited by ewm90 on June 2nd, 2007, 3:09 am, edited 1 time in total.

Well in that case why do you need the religion you know whats right you don't need a book to validate them.

If you are smart you don't need to die to get a 100 virgins + wouldn't having sex with dead body make it necrophilia? any woman how is in to necrophilia is not a woman I wont to know let alone have sex with.

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 5:55 am

Religion had is uses but we have grown up as a coacher and don't need a book to tell us what right its pretty clear. infect religion is holding us back.

Well, this is absolutely wrong. Religion was the basis for everything concerning culture and education for centuries in Europe. Without monasteries we would e.g. still be cutting lines in trees to communicate. Thanks to the monks' work we've got books and finally the technology to print books was invented. Without books and libraries and people who learned to read - in the first instance they were ecclesiastics - there would never have been a need to print books. And what would have become of our culture without books - I don't have to point that out.

Sure, we can't say if religion still affects progress. But as we can't say, we are not able to tell if religion slows us down or still inspires us.

Further there might be people who don't need religion to know what's right or wrong. But there are a lot of people who can't tell that. And what's wrong with having a religion which tells them not to kill?
For hundreds of years people didn't know about law but they knew the commandments - and social life worked thanks to their religion.
Today lots of people don't see a sense in their lifes. At least a major part of them finds this sense again in religion.
Even if religion might not inspire science anymore in the way it did in the past it still has great and good influence on social life if it is not abused.

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 12:39 pm

- In the middle ages and dark ages now the EU is desecorlised.

- The dark ages where the most unproductively time in WOLD HISTORY.

- ummm Munks did it by print they copped by hand. (dark ages 1100 BC until 800 BC) ( 1st printed book was in Germany and completed in 1454 or 1455 "graham bible") check your facts.

- only a few people know how to read in the dark ages the monks and other necessary perfections read was considered geeky like we think of rocket designers.

Without books and libraries and people who learned to read - in the first instance they were ecclesiastics - there would never have been a need to print books. And what would have become of our culture without books - I don't have to point that out.

This is trow your time is wrong tho.

Um yes we can <the plegge, the wars, the sinshership made it all most imposable for growth and academia.

Much much much much much much less than in the dark ages. Religion dose not help people be more just it just gives them a way to justify what they do. If you need a book to tell you not to kill you are all ready so far gone theirs no hope left.
And litel did the commandments do the dark ages where one of the bludest times in human history.
All the people I know and have seen all most do... ummm religon is moving out of 1st world conteriys to 3ed world conteriys....
Umm you mean control science. throw out history and up to today it is abused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages

Religion had is uses but we have grown up as a coacher and don't need a book to tell us what right its pretty clear. infect religion is holding us back.

Well, this is absolutely wrong. Religion was the basis for everything concerning culture and education for centuries in Europe. Without monasteries we would e.g. still be cutting lines in trees to communicate. Thanks to the monks' work we've got books and finally the technology to print books was invented. Without books and libraries and people who learned to read - in the first instance they were ecclesiastics - there would never have been a need to print books. And what would have become of our culture without books - I don't have to point that out.

Sure, we can't say if religion still affects progress. But as we can't say, we are not able to tell if religion slows us down or still inspires us.

Further there might be people who don't need religion to know what's right or wrong. But there are a lot of people who can't tell that. And what's wrong with having a religion which tells them not to kill?
For hundreds of years people didn't know about law but they knew the commandments - and social life worked thanks to their religion.
Today lots of people don't see a sense in their lifes. At least a major part of them finds this sense again in religion.
Even if religion might not inspire science anymore in the way it did in the past it still has great and good influence on social life if it is not abused.

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 1:51 pm

Uhm... just read what I have written.
If you would have read it there would be no way in which it could come to your mind that I might think the monks printed books.
Well... just read it again.

Further: "dark ages" is not the appropriate term when talking about the Middle Ages.
In this context it only reflects your personal line of argumentation.

Your facts are right but the knowledge of the historic background is missing and you haven't really read - or maybe just not understood - what I have written.

Do yourself a favour and read a good scientific book about the Middle Ages and please no wiki-crap already named "Dark Ages". If you want to have facts you need the right sources. Wikipedia - as nice as the idea behind it might be - is in the majority of cases simply inadequate and scientifically regarded useless.

And one last time: Don't mess with historians.
Try to learn to appreciate the progress religion made possible around the world. Just because you have your (understandable) problems with it, history isn't changed.
And as I've already said: which effect religion has now or might have in the future on progress can't be told today.

posted on June 2nd, 2007, 2:13 pm

I have to agree with Seer.

What I wanted to say additionally: You are showing us the same behavior what right you blame the others for. Up to now you are a fanatic and absolutely contra religion (especially against Christianity - I wonder why?) without any solid background-knowledge. You are right on all aspects you are speaking from ewm but you just know a minimal part of the whole thing and so your argumentation is one sided and "anti". To understand all parts of the surface of a diamond you need to have a look on all of them. Fact is that you will never in your life be able/allowed to have a look on all of them which why is there so much misunderstanding.

posted on June 3rd, 2007, 1:39 am

My reading is not grate Pluse I was in a herry when I typed it.

your right.

I have read it fully.

I dont have time to go back to school but I aprisate your candor Wiki crap is crap I here bush has his interns check it evey haff hour to make shere it only saiys good things about him. I thot you said my facts where good I am confused?

I do respect religon the problom is its used to justify harible acts and blind people to the realitty.
What about the crsades and the other wars? The killing of the knights timplars. All the torcher systoms mades. very littal documenttaton of the any thing. The mass poverty and indesentcy.

The problom is that that religon has a long long history of being abused. This brings me to a sort stoiy: 



One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.

The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

Self destruction - "Its my Nature", said the Scorpion...

The sickness that came to be like The plag, Lepercy, small pocks, and many more. the pleg killed of 1/3ed of the population be for they did some looking and relised that chageing the watter in the baths is a good idea and to stop drinking it pluse it was not a good idea to thow your shit out the window if academa had any say most of those deaths would have ben prevented. The smell of rotting flesh was every whare. - consittering even the romions had sewage systoms why did the kings of the dark ages use it?

Childron how showed a devlapmental defect where thorn of clifs. The Airbse where very about deeling with some one with a disadvantege.

Panic, death and despair followed the abandonment of farms and towns. Wrote William of Dene, a monk of Rochester in Kent, England, Men and women carried their own children on their shoulders to the church and threw them into a common pit. From these pits such an appalling stench was given off that scarcely anyone dared to walk beside the cemeteries, so marked a deficiency of labors and workmen that more than a third of the land in the whole realm was left to."

So bad was the "Black Death," the Great Fire of London in I 666 can be viewed as a blessing in disguise. Though it killed thousands of people, the holocaust also consumed garbage, muck and black rats, effectively ending the plague.


 

Religion had is uses but we have grown up as a coacher and don't need a book to tell us what right its pretty clear. infect religion is holding us back.

Well, this is absolutely wrong. Religion was the basis for everything concerning culture and education for centuries in Europe. Without monasteries we would e.g. still be cutting lines in trees to communicate. Thanks to the monks' work we've got books and finally the technology to print books was invented. Without books and libraries and people who learned to read - in the first instance they were ecclesiastics - there would never have been a need to print books. And what would have become of our culture without books - I don't have to point that out.

Sure, we can't say if religion still affects progress. But as we can't say, we are not able to tell if religion slows us down or still inspires us.

Further there might be people who don't need religion to know what's right or wrong. But there are a lot of people who can't tell that. And what's wrong with having a religion which tells them not to kill?
For hundreds of years people didn't know about law but they knew the commandments - and social life worked thanks to their religion.
Today lots of people don't see a sense in their lifes. At least a major part of them finds this sense again in religion.
Even if religion might not inspire science anymore in the way it did in the past it still has great and good influence on social life if it is not abused.

posted on June 5th, 2007, 3:01 am

I do respect religon the problom is its used to justify harible acts and blind people to the realitty.
What about the crsades and the other wars? The killing of the knights timplars. All the torcher systoms mades. very littal documenttaton of the any thing. The mass poverty and indesentcy.

In this case sir, I and you and any American should be shot for the horrible things that we did to the blacks.  Or maybe we should be put in jail for the atrossitys  that were committed to the natives. MOVE ON, it happened we learned, MOVE ON. 

The problom is that that religon has a long long history of being abused.

Ah yes, so hasn't every thing else in this world. governments have been evil for ages.

now on to the last bit, how religion destroyed us. I have always found it interesting how it seamed we plumited from the Roman empire to almost nothing. same with the Egyptians. but i dont think it was religion that did this to us. it was us that did. Religion was the thing that lasted through it all, tis the only thing that could make it through empires splitting and horrors beyond horrors that accured. 
Your blaming the fireman for the fire because he was the last one out of the house.
Im not a brilliant person, but im more open mined then 80% of the non-christians i know. I use logic and the scintific method to find my truth, and it wasnt a Church it was GOD.
I think you dont want us 'open minded christian folk' to be open minded i think you want us to conform to you. 

posted on June 5th, 2007, 3:49 am

You seem not to have understood my story. Some things do what they do becose of the way thay are not becoce of chose. To prevent their behaviors you must take the tools away that enables them. It is a clear pattern of behaver  that will be repeated over and over like it has for thousands of years. Its Humans thats need to movie on.

True, but those governments that don't work are overtone at some point religions has never be rethought.

Well than why is it over history at lest half or more wars are over religions imagine if the arbos and isralis did not have a religon. Open minded I bet you voted for bush... My mind is opined I just don't bleave in Santa.

posted on June 5th, 2007, 4:35 am

Open minded I bet you voted for bush...

I love your open mindness there buddy. you know, just kinda assume that because im a Christian.

I didnt, i also didnt vote for Kerry, i thought both there ideas were off a bit.  i thought logically through it. it didnt add up.  don't ask me to tell you what i thought about them, i cant remember i have no need to remember bush won, oky doky.

Its Humans thats need to movie on.

I know, thats what i was saying, we need to move on from the past. not continually look at and dwell on what we did wrong. You will say that religion should have been left in the past. it wasn't, just as poverty wasn't, the natives were, the crusades were, the slavery was. (that erra of it i know its still active, just different.) but religion wasnt it moved, it changed.

religions has never be rethought.

I havn't read on of these yet, but look at the titles. i counted at least 3 reformations in the end two books. http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/About.htm
and here, i skimed it but you can see a lot of thought in it. http://www.cwo.com/~pentrack/catholic/chron.html
Has it changed in your life time? has it been rethought? yes it has, the Gay issue has caused much rethinking, some churches here in Maine have rethought there believes on drinking.
Your incorrect in this statement...unless you mean to say that religion should be 'rethought',  as in deside that is wrong, now make the propaganda.

My mind is opined I just don't bleave in Santa.

Stop being petty.  you say you have respect for christians yet you call us unwise children. thats rather petty and offensive yes? i not once have called your thoughts petty, nor childish. i take your ideas to reason and thought. if you can do likewise then tell me, for i find no need to argue a point to closed ears.