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posted on September 20th, 2005, 3:22 am
Or what they could have done and they did, was have them in the general area, and once the storm passed they flew the extra 10 minutes to get there instead of letting their choppers get pulled apart in the storm.
Yeah Rita may screw everything right back up, **** Bush and his weather machine!
Yeah Rita may screw everything right back up, **** Bush and his weather machine!
posted on September 20th, 2005, 3:33 am
hey PD you must think i am as hard line as thay come. you are misstakin if thats the case..
as you can see i am no wher neer the werst cridic:
"To the victor goes the spoils" or "Here we goagain"
"To thevictor goes the spoils" or "Here we go again"
Firms with Bush ties snag Katrina deals
Saturday September 10, 11:03 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Companies with ties to the Bush White House and theformer
head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disasterrelief and
reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President
GeorgeW. Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal
EmergencyManagement Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work
along thebattered Gulf Coast.
One is Shaw Group Inc. (SGR) and the other is Halliburton Co. (HAL)
subsidiaryKellogg Brown and Root. Vice President **** Cheney is a former head
ofHalliburton.
Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has alsobeen
selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by
thehurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the
formerCEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment
Corporation.
Experts say it has been common practice in both Republican and
Democraticadministrations for policy makers to take lobbying jobs once they
leave office,and many of the same companies seeking contracts in the wake of
HurricaneKatrina have already received billions of dollars for work in Iraq.
Halliburton alone has earned more than $9 billion. Pentagon audits released
byDemocrats in June showed $1.03 billion in "questioned" costs and $422million
in "unsupported" costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq.
But the web of Bush administration connections is attracting renewed
attentionfrom watchdog groups in the post-Katrina reconstruction rush. Congress
hasalready appropriated more than $60 billion in emergency funding as a
downpayment on recovery efforts projected to cost well over $100 billion.
"The government has got to stop stacking senior positions with people whoare
repeatedly cashing in on the public trust in order to further privatecommercial
interests," said Danielle Brian, executive director of theProject on Government
Oversight.
TWO BUSH APPOINTEES AT HALLIBURTON
Allbaugh formally registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary
KelloggBrown and Root in February.
In lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Senate, Allbaugh said his goal wasto
"educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disasterrelief and
homeland security issues affecting Kellogg Brown and Root."
Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, said Allbaugh has not, since hewas
hired, "consulted on any specific contracts that the company isconsidering
pursuing, nor has he been tasked by the company with any
lobbyingresponsibilities."
Allbaugh is also a friend of Michael Brown, director of FEMA who was removed
ashead of Katrina disaster relief and sent back to Washington amidallegations he
had padded his resume.
A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company
retainedanother high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine.
Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning
asdeputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003
toDecember 2004.
On Friday, Kellogg Brown & Root received $29.8 million in Pentagoncontracts to
begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi.Norcross said the work
was covered under a contract that the company negotiatedbefore Allbaugh was
hired.
Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as
itschief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the
Republicanticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in
April, Cheney'sincome included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which
has also wonbillion-dollar government contracts in Iraq.
Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is
notaffected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings.
Allbaugh's other major client, Baton Rouge-based Shaw Group, has updated itsWeb
site to say: "Hurricane Recovery Projects -- Apply Here!"
Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contractfor
housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100 millionorder on
Friday from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
Shaw Group spokesman Chris Sammons said Allbaugh was providing the company
with"general consulting on business matters," and would not say whetherhe played
a direct role in any of the Katrina deals. "We don't comment onspecific
consulting activities," he said.
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if you look at the facts of what realy hapined and what cood have ben dun you will see a huge difrants. when you dig ddeeper you will see its be cuss of destions that wher made by G,W,Bush to lower fema and cut funding to uther needed programs. not to micichon he had to srambal o get the needed troops to gether to help in the desater. its hard to get things working when you are on a 3 week vastion.
as you can see i am no wher neer the werst cridic:
"To the victor goes the spoils" or "Here we goagain"
"To thevictor goes the spoils" or "Here we go again"
Firms with Bush ties snag Katrina deals
Saturday September 10, 11:03 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Companies with ties to the Bush White House and theformer
head of FEMA are clinching some of the administration's first disasterrelief and
reconstruction contracts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
At least two major corporate clients of lobbyist Joe Allbaugh, President
GeorgeW. Bush's former campaign manager and a former head of the Federal
EmergencyManagement Agency, have already been tapped to start recovery work
along thebattered Gulf Coast.
One is Shaw Group Inc. (SGR) and the other is Halliburton Co. (HAL)
subsidiaryKellogg Brown and Root. Vice President **** Cheney is a former head
ofHalliburton.
Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., has alsobeen
selected by FEMA to provide short-term housing for people displaced by
thehurricane. Bush named Bechtel's CEO to his Export Council and put the
formerCEO of Bechtel Energy in charge of the Overseas Private Investment
Corporation.
Experts say it has been common practice in both Republican and
Democraticadministrations for policy makers to take lobbying jobs once they
leave office,and many of the same companies seeking contracts in the wake of
HurricaneKatrina have already received billions of dollars for work in Iraq.
Halliburton alone has earned more than $9 billion. Pentagon audits released
byDemocrats in June showed $1.03 billion in "questioned" costs and $422million
in "unsupported" costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq.
But the web of Bush administration connections is attracting renewed
attentionfrom watchdog groups in the post-Katrina reconstruction rush. Congress
hasalready appropriated more than $60 billion in emergency funding as a
downpayment on recovery efforts projected to cost well over $100 billion.
"The government has got to stop stacking senior positions with people whoare
repeatedly cashing in on the public trust in order to further privatecommercial
interests," said Danielle Brian, executive director of theProject on Government
Oversight.
TWO BUSH APPOINTEES AT HALLIBURTON
Allbaugh formally registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary
KelloggBrown and Root in February.
In lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Senate, Allbaugh said his goal wasto
"educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disasterrelief and
homeland security issues affecting Kellogg Brown and Root."
Melissa Norcross, a Halliburton spokeswoman, said Allbaugh has not, since hewas
hired, "consulted on any specific contracts that the company isconsidering
pursuing, nor has he been tasked by the company with any
lobbyingresponsibilities."
Allbaugh is also a friend of Michael Brown, director of FEMA who was removed
ashead of Katrina disaster relief and sent back to Washington amidallegations he
had padded his resume.
A few months after Allbaugh was hired by Halliburton, the company
retainedanother high-level Bush appointee, Kirk Van Tine.
Van Tine registered as a lobbyist for Halliburton six months after resigning
asdeputy transportation secretary, a position he held from December 2003
toDecember 2004.
On Friday, Kellogg Brown & Root received $29.8 million in Pentagoncontracts to
begin rebuilding Navy bases in Louisiana and Mississippi.Norcross said the work
was covered under a contract that the company negotiatedbefore Allbaugh was
hired.
Halliburton continues to be a source of income for Cheney, who served as
itschief executive officer from 1995 until 2000 when he joined the
Republicanticket for the White House. According to tax filings released in
April, Cheney'sincome included $194,852 in deferred pay from the company, which
has also wonbillion-dollar government contracts in Iraq.
Cheney's office said the amount of deferred compensation is fixed and is
notaffected by Halliburton's current economic performance or earnings.
Allbaugh's other major client, Baton Rouge-based Shaw Group, has updated itsWeb
site to say: "Hurricane Recovery Projects -- Apply Here!"
Shaw said on Thursday it has received a $100 million emergency FEMA contractfor
housing management and construction. Shaw also clinched a $100 millionorder on
Friday from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.
Shaw Group spokesman Chris Sammons said Allbaugh was providing the company
with"general consulting on business matters," and would not say whetherhe played
a direct role in any of the Katrina deals. "We don't comment onspecific
consulting activities," he said.
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if you look at the facts of what realy hapined and what cood have ben dun you will see a huge difrants. when you dig ddeeper you will see its be cuss of destions that wher made by G,W,Bush to lower fema and cut funding to uther needed programs. not to micichon he had to srambal o get the needed troops to gether to help in the desater. its hard to get things working when you are on a 3 week vastion.
posted on September 20th, 2005, 4:29 am
I'm not gonna pretend I wasted my time reading that because I didn't, but i'm sure it's full of technicalities you took advantage of. Meh back to gaming!
posted on September 20th, 2005, 12:34 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on September 20th, 2005, 1:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
i took advateg of no one i am just repoting that i fawnd.
haw can you just ignore some thing with out whating to look it up to see if its truw?
if it was me and i fawnd some thing disterbing like that about my partty i whood wont to know if it was truw. aspehsal after all the critasisom it has gotin. ignoring information and trusting some thing with out information about it is blind fath.
i meen at this pont both dimacrats and repulicans are unitted in thare citasisom of the presadent as that pont duss it have to get be for you start to think maby thares some thing rong here. hiss poll nubers have droped, the wars not going well, oil prices have skiy rockeded, he had huge and historic protests aginsted him, the international comunity is not happy with him, a lorge amont of black pepal think he is rolling back time, and he has yet to admit eny real mistake.
after this Katrina thing if it was me i whood be asking lotes of quechons this Katrina herican was haribal but his respose after it was unexspibal and unfergivabule.
i have come across two pepal from new orleens so far one i work with hows famaly was in neworleens dering the herican and one at the buss stop last week how famaly was also in the herican both did not loos eny one thankfuly. i feel sick when i think of haw week can just leev pepal to die be cuss thare is no help for tham in the strongest contry in the warld.
haw can you just ignore some thing with out whating to look it up to see if its truw?
if it was me and i fawnd some thing disterbing like that about my partty i whood wont to know if it was truw. aspehsal after all the critasisom it has gotin. ignoring information and trusting some thing with out information about it is blind fath.
i meen at this pont both dimacrats and repulicans are unitted in thare citasisom of the presadent as that pont duss it have to get be for you start to think maby thares some thing rong here. hiss poll nubers have droped, the wars not going well, oil prices have skiy rockeded, he had huge and historic protests aginsted him, the international comunity is not happy with him, a lorge amont of black pepal think he is rolling back time, and he has yet to admit eny real mistake.
after this Katrina thing if it was me i whood be asking lotes of quechons this Katrina herican was haribal but his respose after it was unexspibal and unfergivabule.
i have come across two pepal from new orleens so far one i work with hows famaly was in neworleens dering the herican and one at the buss stop last week how famaly was also in the herican both did not loos eny one thankfuly. i feel sick when i think of haw week can just leev pepal to die be cuss thare is no help for tham in the strongest contry in the warld.
posted on September 20th, 2005, 11:43 pm
hey PD you must think i am as hard line as thay come. you are misstakin if thats the case..
heh i have alwas seen you as a hardliner, unwilling to change his views even if the word chaned around him
posted on September 21st, 2005, 3:11 am
i am a midal man if you will. between hardliner and moderit.
thare are pepal i call crasys that are extreen left weingers. thay are basicly anericsts.
the repulican vertion of a hard liner is an evagelical repulican. PD is all so a midal man between herdliners and and miderits.
thare are pepal i call crasys that are extreen left weingers. thay are basicly anericsts.
the repulican vertion of a hard liner is an evagelical repulican. PD is all so a midal man between herdliners and and miderits.
posted on September 21st, 2005, 8:23 am
if you are a middle man then shouldn't you be moderit as you calll it? instead of being the middle man between moderit and hardliner.
But have to agree with eufnoc, i thought you where a hardliner and i think most people on the forum think so
But have to agree with eufnoc, i thought you where a hardliner and i think most people on the forum think so
posted on September 21st, 2005, 1:37 pm
[TD]Roach
i never sed i was modrit..
well most pepal on the forum are new to polatics.
we need to get back in topic and get off polatics.
i never sed i was modrit..
well most pepal on the forum are new to polatics.
we need to get back in topic and get off polatics.
posted on September 21st, 2005, 2:47 pm
Last edited by [TD]Roach on September 21st, 2005, 2:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
let me state it very simple. you have laid back, moderate and hardliner but you are stating you are between moderate and hardliner. that is right from the center in my book...
but never mind
but never mind
posted on September 21st, 2005, 6:29 pm
i hear the new orlenas is going to be hit by a storm surge from Rita?
posted on September 21st, 2005, 6:40 pm
well yes and no, rita is heading towards texas and is hitting florida ther is a small chance in hitting Orleans but it is a precaution because they don't want to blunder twice
posted on September 21st, 2005, 6:58 pm
lol they don't want to bluner twice i have two words to reply with "Gulf War"
posted on September 21st, 2005, 7:01 pm
yeah lol but the citizens of irak couldn't vote no for bush Orleans can
posted on September 21st, 2005, 9:29 pm
this out lines the frustrations felt by meny dimacrats. this is an e-maill that was forwarded to me.
Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. Yours, Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
http://www.MichaelMoore.com P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
Friday, September 2nd, 2005 Dear Mr. Bush: Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag. Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with? Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her! I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike? And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ! On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that. There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland. No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this! You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit. Yours, Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
http://www.MichaelMoore.com P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
posted on September 23rd, 2005, 12:09 pm
Somehow michael moore always finds a way to throw iraq into things. He even got the puppet sheehan in too. Anyway I guess I am a hardliner although I do try to keep an open mind. Ewm is also a hardliner, calling either of us moderate would be stretching it.
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