Katrina

posted on September 18th, 2005, 1:12 am

There is scientific proof that the burning of fossil fuels can cause global warming. Aside from hurricanes, large chunks of glacial ice are being formed about the size of Rhode Island. For a chunk of ice, that's massive! I do agree that other presidents from LBJ to now are responsible for the neglect of the levees. Even Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton are to be held accountable for doing nothing.

posted on September 18th, 2005, 11:07 am

EWM read my post without pollution hurricanes still existed and this hurricane wasn't any different because it is common this time of year that they arrive around florida and new orleans so it isn't a cause of pollution. maybe the frequency of hurricanes can be a cause of global warming but there isn't proof that there is a direct like to the amount of hurricanes and they way we warm up the earth. So you cannot approve that theory or dissaprove unless you are GOD. the only thing the scientists can be certain is that we are warming up the earth, the rest is theory.

so it had nothing to do with katrina. otherwise i could have blamed El Nino of being a sign of global warming but that is also a natural event. and you can't hold several presidents for account because how much do you recycle and do you use other transportation then your car to go do the groceries. basically we are lazy as it comes to saving the earth because i know i could recycle 90 of my waste but basically nobody does it. even if there are facilities for them.

posted on September 18th, 2005, 12:15 pm

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/29/145206 -american

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/...a/index_np.html - american

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/internatio...,372179,00.html - germon

posted on September 18th, 2005, 1:14 pm

Tropical storms may be growing in overall intensity due to human-induced global warming, according to a new study by leading hurricane researcher Kerry Emanuel. His report, which has generated controversy among climate specialists, was published earlier this month in the journal Nature. Emanuel looked comprehensively at storm data since the mid-1970s and concluded that the destructive power of hurricanes has nearly doubled over the past three decades at least partially because of human-induced global warming. Critics of the study say hurricanes are not intensifying and that the cause of the rising ocean temperature is natural, not human-made.

so in other words only a theory and only a slight in crease not just creating F5 hurricanes from F1 and read the last line


It's made many wonder if global warming is bringing the wrath of the planet down upon all our heads. Kerry Emanuel, a professor of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who has studied historical records of hurricanes around the globe, said the answer is yes and no.

so not the cause of pollution directly.

and the german one is very one sided but basically it only states only about global woraming and the effects not that katrina is an example of global warming and you keep forgetting that the carebean and the mexican gold is a tornado rich area and each year is different and varies from intensity. and it was already predicted that there would be such an event sometime in the future so i don't know what makes it an indication that it might be a signal of global warning

posted on September 18th, 2005, 1:52 pm

The Süddeutsche Zeitung uses its feature page as a defacto editorial by focusing on the hurricane as its theme of the day. Among its articles, it cites a study by US hurricane expert Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that shows a rising tendency for hurricanes that exactly reflects the curve of greenhouse gases. German scientists from the Max-Planck Institute hail the study as the first proof of a real link. "If this man-made warming continues, we will have to expect stronger storms in future" Emmanuel tells the paper.

and i have herd redio news reports that have sed that polition may have made Katrina biger. in the redio new report i herd thay all so sited the amont of hericans we have had her as a resont to pution. fether more thay woned this trind will continuwe. - the news report was from a local sinintist.

you have to under stand thare is a lot of syintests that are fileder paiyed off or intimadated not to report the reality of pultion.

[Eufnoc]

posted on September 18th, 2005, 2:28 pm

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well bush had a detaled simalation that out lined the probloms costed in new orleans in detal. this incooded a breef and a cd simulation of what hapind in new orleans be for Katrina. and meny uther organations have wonred about the probloms with the levys. so what duss bush do cuts funding to fema repases its hed guy with a hed case and merges it with homland sucraty degrating feama evin more.

be for Katrina bush has a nuff time to get resores in plase and start pusioning aid workers and socraty. he did not do enuff thing that he shood have dun in prep for the strom. or after it took him 5 days to get food in to the city and sucraty. thare wher milatry resors that wher not called on investigated post storm.

he might of had a detailed simulation of the out lined problems, but does it come up in day to day bases, i am sure theres that job around your house that needs doing, but theres other more pressing matters (9/11 war on iraq, war on terror, election).


edit: does anyone else think this is fast becoming a political and blame thread?

[Aesir]

posted on September 18th, 2005, 3:33 pm

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I just think opinions of a few are not proof of your side. one side says man is to blame the other says not. neither side really has proof so at the moment its not a good point to base an argument on.

posted on September 18th, 2005, 6:03 pm

i just find it weird to blame a NATURAL disaster to some twisted way to something the government could have prevented by doing the kyoto thing. I wonder what kind of pollution you need to start an earthquacke then. I it like looking for some kind of weair d reason to find a logical answer on blaming a the cause of such a naturual event on someone.

posted on September 18th, 2005, 9:27 pm

o every body knows all you need to start an earth quake is the by product of turning lead into gold!!!

posted on September 18th, 2005, 9:40 pm

he might of had a detailed simulation of the out lined problems, but does it come up in day to day bases, i am sure theres that job around your house that needs doing, but theres other more pressing matters (9/11 war on iraq, war on terror, election).


edit: does anyone else think this is fast becoming a political and blame thread?

nope, the lawn it moved plants are water and the walk has all redy ben swepted up.

it is bush #1 job to pretect this contery. if he can not do that he was not business mesing in uther contrys.

it is we need to get back on topic...

Aesir he is the comander and cheef the buck stops with him.

[TD]Roach i dont under stand no one is blaming the NATURAL disaster?

[Aesir]

posted on September 19th, 2005, 3:07 am

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Aesir he is the comander and cheef the buck stops with him.

yeah but its incredibly hard to sell sending money BEFORE a problem comes to term to the public you should know. That and politicians are mostly concerned with the short term of getting reelected and not about the long term unless of course a big enough fuss is raised about it.

posted on September 19th, 2005, 12:11 pm

yes it is hard but thats his job and if he cant do it he shood not be the comander and cheef.

thats trow about polatishons but some are more compadent than uthers.

i hope this mess from Katrina is not sweept under the rug as just a nuther harbal sichation.

posted on September 19th, 2005, 12:19 pm

Now ewm, presidents can't control the weather, so stop saying this one can. Stop giving that pollution nonsense stuff also.

[Casper]

posted on September 19th, 2005, 12:19 pm

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yeah but its incredibly hard to sell sending money BEFORE a problem comes to term to the public you should know. That and politicians are mostly concerned with the short term of getting reelected and not about the long term unless of course a big enough fuss is raised about it.

good point, and this thread is starting to sound like a blame thread, eventhough i'm fine with burning bush for any reason what so ever, maliciously fictitious or not

posted on September 19th, 2005, 12:20 pm

You think he also controls the weather too lol?