Fleet Operations 3.1.2

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:07 pm

They detect them quite fine, just a different way. Check the Sensor Relay that nearly every assimilation and combat ship can lay.

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:08 pm

Mobile Borg Cloak Detection: Build EM Scout Cube, hold a and tell it to fire on one of your own nearby ships. You'll be able to see any nearby cloaked ships.

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:10 pm

They detect them quite fine, just a different way. Check the Sensor Relay that nearly every assimilation and combat ship can lay.

The Sensor Relay no longer detects. The Relay+Vinculum-Dodecahedron does.

Mobile Borg Cloak Detection: Build EM Scout Cube, hold a and tell it to fire on one of your own nearby ships. You'll be able to see any nearby cloaked ships.

Suggesting to use bugs isn't exactly the best advice in my opinion . The EM Scout Cube is supposed to only detect while in combat with the enemy.

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:12 pm

They removed that? Oh, well; I never bothered with it, anyway.

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:18 pm

Why would the Borg only choose to look for cloaks while attacking? That seems very un-Borg-like. The Borg should have fully capable mobile cloak detection, not as just some exploit unintended consequences.

[Tyler]

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:21 pm

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I'm thinking the cloak-screwer is available when power to the weapons or 'shields' is high (attacking). Think of it as a bug in the tech that the Collective hasn't figured out or they only just started using it (they've no doubt got a lot to focus on right now).

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:30 pm

I'm thinking the cloak-screwer is available when power to the weapons or 'shields' is high (attacking). Think of it as a bug in the tech that the Collective hasn't figured out or they only just started using it (they've no doubt got a lot to focus on right now).

So they're running Vista Borg edition  on their Scubes and it only allows them to detect cloaks while they are attacking? That just sounds stupid, and the Borg could do without even more villain-decay.

Let me put it to you this way: "Bugs" in their tech and haven't figured it out, even though they have all the engineering knowledge of every species they've assimilated and enough minds all thinking as one to figure out things far better than we could ever dream of? I don't buy it

[Tyler]

posted on May 20th, 2010, 10:35 pm

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How advanced they are and how many races they assimilate is entirely irrelevant, they are still a big machine that is capable of missing things and are far from perfect.

Same goes for how many minds they have working for them; missing even the tiniest detail has a good chance of ruining a fix attempt.

You seem to be under the impression that the Borg are an infallible supercomputer that cannot fail anything, ever.

posted on May 20th, 2010, 11:42 pm

I agree with Tyler - they may have all the engineering knowledge of the species they've assimilated, but they don't know how to improvise or experiment with that technology - that was their failing against Species 8472, where Voyager was able to use Borg technology to develop a way to defeat them when the Borg themselves were going to be annihilated.

Like B'Elanna said - what they can't assimilate, they can't understand. If they haven't assimilated a fix for whatever bug is in their tech, they're unlikely to be able to easily fix it.

[Nebula_Class_Ftw]

posted on May 21st, 2010, 1:07 am

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How advanced they are and how many races they assimilate is entirely irrelevant, they are still a big machine that is capable of missing things and are far from perfect.

Same goes for how many minds they have working for them; missing even the tiniest detail has a good chance of ruining a fix attempt.

You seem to be under the impression that the Borg are an infallible supercomputer that cannot fail anything, ever.

I never said they were infallible, but I'm sure upon seeing a failure in their technology they would do something about it; even if only one drone noticed there was a problem, they'd all know about it. I'm pretty sure that if they did miss a minor detail while fixing, they'd try again with multiple drones assigned to monitoring each aspect carefully (and the entire collective would be able to view the information those drones are aware of, so no problems noticing things.)

I agree with Tyler - they may have all the engineering knowledge of the species they've assimilated, but they don't know how to improvise or experiment with that technology - that was their failing against Species 8472, where Voyager was able to use Borg technology to develop a way to defeat them when the Borg themselves were going to be annihilated.

Like B'Elanna said - what they can't assimilate, they can't understand. If they haven't assimilated a fix for whatever bug is in their tech, they're unlikely to be able to easily fix it.

I was under the impression they were still capable of creative thought. That's what I get from watching the good Borg episodes, as in, ones that don't make them retarded cannon fodder for Janeway/Species 8472.

Btw: We may need to make this a seperate topic if it goes further, I'm not liking taking up so much of a thread about a patch with debate about the Borg.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 2:11 am

Think of it as the EM field being generated when there are threats nearby, or as a by product of the weapons. Borg tend to ignore things unless they are threatened.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 7:26 am

yes but i hate to not win a game because i don't find the last cloaked rom

posted on May 21st, 2010, 10:38 pm

Think of it as the EM field being generated when there are threats nearby, or as a by product of the weapons. Borg tend to ignore things unless they are threatened.

Problem is that why would it stop detecting cloaked units after the fighting is (temporarily) over? It should continue detecting cloaked units until they are no longer a threat, which would be once the battle is over.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 10:42 pm

Because when they're cloaked they aren't a threat (can't fire), when they decloak they're sill not a theat (shields down and vulnerable briefly).

Borg are arrogant; they don't search for ships, they let ships come to them.

posted on May 22nd, 2010, 12:27 pm

I never said they were infallible, but I'm sure upon seeing a failure in their technology they would do something about it; even if only one drone noticed there was a problem, they'd all know about it. I'm pretty sure that if they did miss a minor detail while fixing, they'd try again with multiple drones assigned to monitoring each aspect carefully (and the entire collective would be able to view the information those drones are aware of, so no problems noticing things.)

I was under the impression they were still capable of creative thought. That's what I get from watching the good Borg episodes, as in, ones that don't make them retarded cannon fodder for Janeway/Species 8472.

Btw: We may need to make this a seperate topic if it goes further, I'm not liking taking up so much of a thread about a patch with debate about the Borg.

such an example, unimatrix001, they see it but dont understand it. in the end they get their wish but they didnt take the unimatrix out, it happened to of been voyager and renegade borg drones. in that same episode, the borg queen destroyed several cubes and spheres because 1 or 3 members are no longer connected, she didnt understand.